There are violently insane people on all parts of the political spectrum, and beyond. It signifies little to me as far as politics, when we're talking true mental illness.

What concerns me more is the obvious media slant to make a huge spectacle of blaming conservatives when one of these nutbags targets lefty politicians/media, while not doing the same to the left when leftwing kooks launch attacks, such as the Bernie fanboy who shot up the Republican baseball practice.

I'm not saying I wish the media attacked the left as much as they do the right regarding these kind of incidents; I'd rather they didn't focus on the politics so much in either case.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
In the news conference, FBI Director Wray said the FBI Laboratory in Quantico, VA managed to get DNA from his fingerprint on one of the packages.

This was undoubtedly compared to a DNA sample taken as a consequence of one of Sayor's many felony convictions.

5 posts above yours is his supposed rap sheet, he doesn't have any felony convictions.

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Originally posted by 08 Cayenne:
I like the van, wonder if it will ever come up for sale.

You beat me to it .

Robert DeNiro got a "suspicious package."
It was a decent script.
- Dave Landau

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
In the news conference, FBI Director Wray said the FBI Laboratory in Quantico, VA managed to get DNA from his fingerprint on one of the packages.

This was undoubtedly compared to a DNA sample taken as a consequence of one of Sayor's many felony convictions.

5 posts above yours is his supposed rap sheet, he doesn't have any felony convictions.

In Florida DNA is collected in all felony arrests as well as certain misdemeanors such as drugs, stalking, voyeurism, etc. Conviction is not a criteria.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
In the news conference, FBI Director Wray said the FBI Laboratory in Quantico, VA managed to get DNA from his fingerprint on one of the packages.

This was undoubtedly compared to a DNA sample taken as a consequence of one of Sayor's many felony convictions.

5 posts above yours is his supposed rap sheet, he doesn't have any felony convictions.

Doesn't a guilty plea count as a conviction?

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Not once was he sentenced to jail time for any of those incidents.

Our so-called justice system at work!

Were the Sayoc explosives in any way operational? The feds don't seem to think so - even as they insist the 14 IEDs were 'not a hoax'.
Cesar Sayoc Jr, 56, was arrested on Friday and charged with five federal crimes.
His list of charges did not include attempted murder, giving a strong indication that the IEDs were not operational.
FBI director Christopher Wray said on Friday the 14 package bombs contained explosive materials and were not hoax bombs.
He said the devices all had the potential of detonating in transit, or if shaken or exposed to a heat source.
Law enforcement sources previously said they believe the pipe bombs were either ineptly constructed or not intended to blow up.

So putting wraps on all the van windows doesn't seem odd. What I want to know is how can I 'mail' stuff and not have the stamps cancelled?

Since this just happened over the course of a few days, and we have surveillance cameras everywhere, I'm awaiting the video of the suspect at the post office as well as statements from postal carriers that they were the ones who delivered the packages.

DNA, fingerprints, etc are great, but a little non-FBI third party verification would be great.

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Originally posted by Floyd D. Barber:

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
In the news conference, FBI Director Wray said the FBI Laboratory in Quantico, VA managed to get DNA from his fingerprint on one of the packages.

This was undoubtedly compared to a DNA sample taken as a consequence of one of Sayor's many felony convictions.

5 posts above yours is his supposed rap sheet, he doesn't have any felony convictions.

Doesn't a guilty plea count as a conviction?

I am wondering the same thing. Is this a silly game of semantics? He's a felon.



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I am wondering the same thing. Is this a silly game of semantics? He's a felon.

He could have been charged with a felony and plead to a reduced charge that wasn't.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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I am wondering the same thing. Is this a silly game of semantics? He's a felon.

He could have been charged with a felony and plead to a reduced charge that wasn't.

I wondered about that, but the way that summary is worded, it seems like he still pled guilty to what sound like felon charges: grand theft, possession with intent to distribute, etc.



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Originally posted by TigerDore:

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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I am wondering the same thing. Is this a silly game of semantics? He's a felon.

He could have been charged with a felony and plead to a reduced charge that wasn't.

I wondered about that, but the way that summary is worded, it seems like he still pled guilty to what sound like felon charges: grand theft, possession with intent to distribute, etc.

FWIW: Yesterday one of the convictions (for Terrorist Threats) was described as a "Felony", but he received only a sentence of 12 months probation. In any case, DNA is gradually being treated more like fingerprints, in that only an arrest is needed for collection, entry, and use in available law enforcement data bases.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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I am wondering the same thing. Is this a silly game of semantics? He's a felon.

He could have been charged with a felony and plead to a reduced charge that wasn't.

The list says he plead guilty to grand theft in the third degree which seems to be a felony in Florida.

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Originally posted by PASig:
The stickers actually looked Photoshopped onto the window in that big shot of his van.

I thought the same, especially the text at the bottom of the rear window.

Did anyone see the careful covering of the Van with the tarp - only later showing it towed on the flatbed with the tarp blowing in the breeze.
Kind of like "opps' the wind blew my skirt up the one day I wasn't wearing panties.

This is funny as hell - Even better than any of the stunts so far. OSCAR nomination.

Here's a good link with some close-ups of the window decals along with an interesting commentary.

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/27...bama-van-memes-trump

A Tale Of Two Acts Of Political Violence — And Proof Of Media Bias

Media Bias: There have been two major acts of political violence over the past year and half. One by an ardent supporter of President Trump. The other by an ardent supporter of Bernie Sanders. How the press covered these two stories tells you all you need to know about media bias.

In June 2017, James Hodgkinson fired more than 60 rifle shots at a group of Republican lawmakers and staffers who were practicing for an annual charity baseball game. Hodgkinson hit four people, including House Majority Whip Steve Scalise.

While the other injuries weren't life threatening, Scalise nearly died. He spent more than a month in the hospital, underwent several surgeries, and required intensive rehabilitation.

Political Violence On The Left

Hodgkinson, it turns out, had been a volunteer for Bernie Sanders presidential campaign, and had a deep hatred for Republicans. In one social media post, he said "Terminate the Republican Party."

Had Hodgkinson been a better shot, he would have assassinated several of them.

Yet the coverage of the shooting barely mentioned Hodgkinson's political leanings or his connection to the firebrand Sanders.

An analysis of news stories by Real Clear Politics' Kalev Leetaru showed that a mere 30% of the stories even mentioned Sanders' name in their coverage. And that share immediately started to drop as the days went on. (You can read his excellent analysis here.)

None tried to pin blame for the shooting on Sanders' rhetoric, although a case could be made for one. Weeks before the shooting, Sanders declared that a Republican health reform plan would kill thousands of people. Hodgkinson reportedly shouted "This is for health care!" when firing his rifle.

Nor did the mainstream press do any hand wringing about the violent rhetoric pouring forth from liberals against Trump and other Republicans — before and immediately after the shooting.

Even while Scalise was in critical care, Sanders again accused Republicans of attempting mass murder, tweeting that the Senate health bill "could kill up to 27,000 in 2026 so they can give tax cuts to the wealthy." Sen. Elizabeth Warren called the bill "blood money."

Indeed, the press' awareness of Scalise's shooting, and the motives behind it, are so dim that a prominent CNN host actually said with a straight face this week that "I don't see Democrats killing people" over politics.

Political Violence On The Right

Now contrast the Scalise shooting with the pipe bomber. Not one person was injured by the devices, several of which at least weren't capable of exploding. It's still not clear what Cesar Sayoc's motive was — whether he intended injury or simply wanted to scare people. (After being arrested, Sayoc said he didn't intend to hurt anyone.)

Yet, even before anyone knew who was sending the devices — and before most of the mailings had turned up — the press immediately started to connect the bomber with Trump.

As Leetaru at Real Clear Politics notes, "before any information was known about the bomber's identity, nearly 70% of the coverage of the bombs mentioned Trump. By Sunday, nearly 80% of the coverage associated the bomber with Trump."

Even now, the press continues to claim that Trump's rhetoric is at fault not only for the mail bomber, but for the murder of 11 Jews in a Pittsburgh synagogue by a shooter who hated Trump.

And when Trump complained about the disparity in how the mainstream press covered the two, they dismissed it out of hand …. without checking the record.

Biased Coverage Of Political Violence

So, to sum up:

When a Sanders' supporter acts with clear intent to murder Republicans and nearly succeeds, the press ignores any connection to liberal politicians, or the left's violent rhetoric.

When a Trump supporter, whose intentions are still not clear, targets Democrats with faulty pipe bombs that injure no one, the press spends weeks blaming Trump and Republicans for the tone of their rhetoric.

It's not often that you have an opportunity to test media bias. But these two terrible acts of political violence provide one. And the mainstream press flunked the test. Badly.

https://www.investors.com/poli...violence-media-bias/

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Like what we heard from reporters during the Ferguson Riots when we knew they caught several violent acts on video and audio: rounds hitting near us, etc......"it doesn't fit the narrative, so it will never be seen."

Did anyone else notice the lack of cancellation marks on those rows of stamps on all of the packages apparently delivered by USPS?