https://youtu.be/5hzH_S0D9Vc?si=BNx1ZfpCUzJiOW5k

Sumter Co. deputy was spying on his wife.

Another Flock-up.....

https://x.com/Mrgunsngear/status/2086647364693991694

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Originally posted by HRK:
Another Flock-up.....

I think my very-short-term plan, in that situation, would be to have someone take me (in their car) to the DMV and get some new plates issued for my own car.

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Originally posted by vthoky:

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Originally posted by HRK:
Another Flock-up.....

I think my very-short-term plan, in that situation, would be to have someone take me (in their car) to the DMV and get some new plates issued for my own car.

Funny you should say that, when my renewal came up this month I elected to change the plate to a different type, not because of Flock, but wanted a black plate to match up with the area of the new car, even though my truck was also black.

However, now Flock's capture of the old plate doesn't mean diddly squat.

Think I'll change plate type at every renewal now.... LOL

The locals aren't just tracking you locally, but everywhere you travel out of state as well.

Had a department meeting last night, Chief asked if we thought the Flock cameras were worth what it costs the city. We decided to not renew the contract when it expires. Nice tool to have, but with the public outcry, expense and our small community the decision to let it go was the right one.

Good job, hope more cities dump these things, there are a lot more scan tools on vehicles out there. One day someone will take all the data from different suppliers, combine it and sell access to insurance companies, police forces, all kinds of marketing.

Right now when you pull into a service lane, almost all dealers are using photo imaging systems and they have you drive through, it records the whole car, plate and vin associated.

Mainly for protection from scammers about vehicle damage claims of scratches, dents, there are a lot of false claims from people who try and get dealers to pay for damages they had, now, that scam is abated.

But think about the value of the data to all insurance companies. They could theoretically sell that image access to an insurance adjuster who could look at your car from dealer scans, then compare with Flock cameras, see if you really were in an accident to deny or accept your claim.

So for FLOCK to say it's "law enforcement only" is disingenuous, because they know the real money is in outside LEO data sales.

But back to the 4th amendment argument, no warrant, no observation should be happening.

Just because I'm in the public doesn't mean I agree to be tracked and data sold about my movements when I'm not a criminal.

Now if the cameras were used where law enforcement needed a warrant, then submitted a copy into FLOCK with the plate number they are looking for, and, then the system started scanning for that plate, and recorded THAT plates movements only, per the warrant, the yes it has value.

My disdain for these are the same as I have for DUI checkpoint.

The argument for the greater good fails when you are imposing on the public.

Local county PD set up such a checkpoint in the middle of the day at the intersection by my house. DUI? or just fishing because it was literally the middle of the day.

While we may not have right to privacy in public, we do have the right to our constitutional rights in unwarranted searches which occurs with these.

It's bullshit and you know it. I know law enforcement has a tough job but this ain't it.

There is no downside to the removal and elimination with prejudice these cameras.

Who ever said we don’t have a right to privacy in public never asked the public

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Originally posted by Calif Phil:
Had a department meeting last night, Chief asked if we thought the Flock cameras were worth what it costs the city. We decided to not renew the contract when it expires. Nice tool to have, but with the public outcry, expense and our small community the decision to let it go was the right one.

Maybe you know this, who paid for/owns the cameras? Your town or Flock?
When you don't renew with Flock, will the camera's come down, or will they still be there, but your dept just won't have access to Flock data?

Thanks.

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Originally posted by HRK:
Just because I'm in the public doesn't mean I agree to be tracked and data sold about my movements when I'm not a criminal.

Darn right.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
Who ever said we don’t have a right to privacy in public never asked the public

Nicely stated, sir.

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Originally posted by SpinZone:
When you don't renew with Flock, will the camera's come down, or will they still be there, but your dept just won't have access to Flock data?

Thanks.

Grok says that both generally occur. When a contract is not renewed the cameras are removed and the police no longer have access to the data, depending on contractual language.

Maybe you know this, who paid for/owns the cameras? Your town or Flock?
When you don't renew with Flock, will the camera's come down, or will they still be there, but your dept just won't have access to Flock data?


We lease the cameras,and our access will end when the lease is up, good questions as one would assume they would take them down. Will try and remember to find out once it expires.

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Flock Safety instituting new privacy measures in response to backlash

Flock Safety has received widespread criticism over mass surveillance and police misuse

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Flock Safety, the embattled AI-powered security camera operator, announced an overhaul to its privacy and security measures Thursday amid growing backlash from consumers and reports of law enforcement abuse.

As public backlash to the company's growing network of automated license plate readers (ALPRs) continues to build, the company announced a new set of reforms that includes enhanced privacy protections, strengthening of control for local law enforcement offices and enhanced accountability measures.

To start, Flock is reducing its standard data retention window from 30 days to seven. Previously, all data captured by one of the company's more than 119,000 cameras nationwide was deleted after the 30-day window. Now, the company announced on Thursday that data will only live on Flock servers for one week.

While law enforcement agencies often respond to privacy-concerned critics by explaining that the Flock system helps them catch criminals, Flock said that 90% of all searches using its product happen within a week anyway, seemingly keeping the privacy reform consistent with law enforcement priorities.

Story continues at link.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ~ Benjamin Franklin, 1775

One has to wonder what the chief here did before the introduction of these cameras.

https://x.com/BreitbartNews/st.../2089804991565353216

Flock has become a catch all reference.

Axon is gaining market share with all the controversy as they are much lesser known company essentially doing the same

Coming soon to a firearms forum near you: what load is best for Flock cameras?

Circa 2022 or '23, I had to ditch my old license plate and replace it with one with bolder white lettering/numbering on a dark blue background, which is much more reflective than the old one. (Fee that year was discounted to $5.) Is the reason for this added reflectivity to work better with cameras?

Apparently, a cordless recip saw will do the same thing.