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while taxiing to the ramp, he raised his gear instead of his flaps.
One of my pet peeves. I have a bit over 3,000 hours as PIC* in the Bonanza family, about 1,200 hours as instructor. I always make it clear to my client / trainees, that there is absolutely no valid reason to retract flaps while taxiing, and any attempt to reach for the flap switch while I am on board will not be tolerated.

The "standard" -- or at least the most common -- arrangement in most airplanes has the landing gear switch on the pilot side of the panel or center console, and the flap switch on the co-pilot side.

I am aware of at least three different arrangements and location for flap and landing gear controls in Bonanzas:
  1. Early Bonanzas had a row of "piano key" switches on the far right of the panel; pilot had to reach way over to get to them, and at a quick glance they all looked similar. Yeah, it is possible to distinguish between the landing gear switch and the others by feel, but it is far too easy for a pilot who is careless or complacent, to pick the wrong switch.

  2. Mid-year Bonanzas (and Travel-Airs, DebonAirs and Barons), manufactured after the piano key arrangement was discontinued, but prior to 1985, had more conventional type switches, but non-standard switch locations. The landing gear on these was on the co-pilot side, and the flap switch was on the pilot side.

  3. More modern Bonanzas (and siblings), manufactured after 1985, have the conventional arrangement with pilot-side landing gear switch and flap switch on co-pilot side.
Because there are different arrangements of these controls in similar airplanes, it is all too easy to grab the wrong one, and retract the landing gear while intending to retract the wing flaps after landing. Yes, there is a "squat switch" -- this was on the right (co-pilot) side main landing gear strut on my V-Tail and all other Bonanzas that I recall. The purpose of this switch was to detect when there was weight on the landing gear, implying that the airplane was on the ground (not airborn), and preventing the gear from being retracted if the control switch was moved to the "gear up" position, but the squat switch did not always work. An A&P mechanic can tell us for sure, but as far as I know, the squat switch is not one of the items on the standard 100-hour inspection checklist.

I have been known to re-inforce my "don't touch it while taxiing" policy, by forcibly restraining a pilot who was reaching for the flap switch while the airplane was in motion. I absolutely insisted on touching this switch only when the airplane was at a complete stop and the pilot was focused on retracting the flaps after verifying that s/he was reaching for the flap switch and not the landing gear switch. Kind of like double-checking that the gun is unloaded without the distraction of doing something else at the same time. Wink
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Originally posted by wingspar:

while taxiing to the ramp, he raised his gear instead of his flaps.
One of my pet peeves. I have a bit over 3,000 hours as PIC* in the Bonanza family, about 1,200 hours as instructor. I always make it clear to my client / trainees, that there is absolutely no valid reason to retract flaps while taxiing, and any attempt to reach for the flap switch while I am on board will not be tolerated.

The "standard" -- or at least the most common -- arrangement in most airplanes has the landing gear switch on the pilot side of the panel or center console, and the flap switch on the co-pilot side.

I am aware of at least three different arrangements and location for flap and landing gear controls in Bonanzas:
  1. Early Bonanzas had a row of "piano key" switches on the far right of the panel; pilot had to reach way over to get to them, and at a quick glance they all looked similar. Yeah, it is possible to distinguish between the landing gear switch and the others by feel, but it is far too easy for a pilot who is careless or complacent, to pick the wrong switch.

  2. Mid-year Bonanzas (and Travel-Airs, DebonAirs and Barons), manufactured after the piano key arrangement was discontinued, but prior to 1985, had more conventional type switches, but non-standard switch locations. The landing gear on these was on the co-pilot side, and the flap switch was on the pilot side.

  3. More modern Bonanzas (and siblings), manufactured after 1985, have the conventional arrangement with pilot-side landing gear switch and flap switch on co-pilot side.
Because there are different arrangements of these controls in similar airplanes, it is all too easy to grab the wrong one, and retract the landing gear while intending to retract the wing flaps after landing. Yes, there is a "squat switch" -- this was on the right (co-pilot) side main landing gear strut on my V-Tail and all other Bonanzas that I recall. The purpose of this switch was to detect when there was weight on the landing gear, implying that the airplane was on the ground (not airborn), and preventing the gear from being retracted if the control switch was moved to the "gear up" position, but the squat switch did not always work. An A&P mechanic can tell us for sure, but as far as I know, the squat switch is not one of the items on the standard 100-hour inspection checklist.

I have been known to re-inforce my "don't touch it while taxiing" policy, by forcibly restraining a pilot who was reaching for the flap switch while the airplane was in motion. I absolutely insisted on touching this switch only when the airplane was at a complete stop and the pilot was focused on retracting the flaps after verifying that s/he was reaching for the flap switch and not the landing gear switch. Kind of like double-checking that the gun is unloaded without the distraction of doing something else at the same time. Wink
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When I was flying we had an instructor drop a Cessna 172RG doing touch and gos. He landed, flipped up the gear instead of the flaps, and bounced enough to let the gear retract.

He wasn't an instructor after that mishap.




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At Wheeling WV Ohio County airport there was a company that we used for short trips. In the early 90's when you could park next to the runway and just walk up to the plane. Also many times I remember rental cars parked within walking distance of the plane at several airports. Anyway the guy took off and if I'm not mistaken he had a fuel line freeze up and had to land on I-70. I took a flight with him a couple weeks later and asked him if he got into any kind of trouble landing on interstate. He said no but he had some explaining to do when he turned around and took back off.
 
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while taxiing to the ramp, he raised his gear instead of his flaps.
One of my pet peeves. I have a bit over 3,000 hours as PIC* in the Bonanza family, about 1,200 hours as instructor. I always make it clear to my client / trainees, that there is absolutely no valid reason to retract flaps while taxiing, and any attempt to reach for the flap switch while I am on board will not be tolerated.


Part of the reason I never owned a retractable gear aircraft was the expense, and that probably saved me thousands of dollars. Had a friend with a Comanche and one day when I walked over to his hangar, his landing gear was all over the hangar floor. It was for an inspection. He did most of the work himself with an IA sign off, but it still cost him $4k. When he passed away, I sort of thought about buying his aircraft cause I had a love affair with Comanches, but I couldn’t swallow the cost.


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