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Rep. Massie Introduces Bill For US To Dump 'Cold War Relic' NATO

Conservative and outspoken libertarian-leaning Republican Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky introduced legislation Tuesday for the United States for formally withdraw from NATO. Sen. Mike Lee is also helping lead the charge, introducing companion legislation in the Senate.

The bill argues that the US military cannot be seen as the police force of the world, and that given NATO was created to counter the long-gone Soviet Union, which no longer exists, American taxpayers’ money would be better spent elsewhere.

"We should withdraw from NATO and use that money to defend our own country, not socialist countries… US participation has cost taxpayers trillions of dollars and continues to risk US involvement in foreign wars… America should not be the world’s security blanket - especially when wealthy countries refuse to pay for their own defense," Massie said.

That latter part is likely designed to gain Trump's attention and sympathy, given the president has been emphasizing this point all the way back to his first term.

The bill if passed would require the US government to formally notify NATO that it intends to end its membership and halt the use of American funds for shared budgets. Republican Senator Lee actually introduced similar legislation earlier this year, but it stalled in committee.

Of course, most Congress members have viewpoints which merely reflect the 'pro-NATO' established position of the vast majority of Western politicians generally, so it's very unlikely to ever be passed.

Massie wrote on X, "NATO is a Cold War relic. The United States should withdraw from NATO and use that money to defend our country, not socialist countries. Today, I introduced HR 6508 to end our NATO membership."

"Our Constitution did not authorize permanent foreign entanglements, something our Founding Fathers explicitly warned us against," he said additionally.

The NATO Act:

Requires the President to formally notify NATO of U.S. withdrawal under Article 13 of the North Atlantic Treaty.
Concludes that NATO’s original Cold War purpose no longer aligns with current U.S. national security interests.
Finds that European NATO members have adequate economic and military capacity to provide for their own defense.
Prevents use of U.S. taxpayer funds for NATO’s common budgets, including its civil budget, military budget, and the Security Investment Program.

Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) has introduced companion legislation, S.2174, in the United States Senate. The text of the NATO Act is available at this link.

Under pressure from Trump, NATO members agreed this year to gradually raise their defense spending to 5% of GDP, significantly above the old 2% guideline. European leaders were finally amenable to this, despite mocking it years ago during Trump's first term, due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the "threat" to Europe that they perceive.

Moscow has denied time and again that it has 'expansionist' ambitions - yet US and EU leaders continue to portray Putin as some who dreams of reestablishing an old empire, or else revive Soviet power and borders.

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...-cold-war-relic-nato



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These are the growing pains Europe has been deficient in experiencing since WW2. The world wanted us to stop being the global police… until we aren’t. Now we have the opportunity advance our own nation with the unspent billions no longer given to others defense. What a concept.




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Now that Trump has actually led NATO into doing what it's supposed to do? I don't see the point; Russia still exists.



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Now that Trump has actually led NATO into doing what it's supposed to do? I don't see the point; Russia still exists.


Russia is about to become our strongest ally and NATO countries will become our enemies. The combined strength of said NATO countries pales in comparison to what Russia brings to the table so their loss won't be felt. The days of the US siding with weak democracies that expect handouts are over.
 
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It's hard to believe that this contrary asshole has finally done something I agree with.
 
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It's hard to believe that this contrary asshole has finally done something I agree with.


Massie is exemplar for the saying "a blind nut occasionally finds a squirrel."

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A symbolic gesture by a Congressman, if that's all he's got to do.
Not going to happen.


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Originally posted by 220-9er:
A symbolic gesture by a Congressman, if that's all he's got to do.
Not going to happen.

"Of course, most Congress members have viewpoints which merely reflect the 'pro-NATO' established position of the vast majority of Western politicians generally, so it's very unlikely to ever be passed."

Because for them, it's all about the grift. The MIC must be continuously funded for the contributions to flow back into their campaign coffers.

But it does nothing to help our country save SS, healthcare, or become solvent again.
It's time for America First.



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We could ween euro countries of our dollars over a scheduled time. Less and less sugar.
 
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I think we should stay. But put a cap on our contribution.



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Anything to stop the globalization of the US. We need to take care of ourselves and our people, not those in other countries that hate us and those that are invading.
 
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Two organizations that suck America's money out of our economy. The United Nations and NATO.
get out of them.


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For years we have had the blue helmet "peace keepers"

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We should get out of NATO and the UN. We waste billions every year on countries that hate us anyway. Fuck them.



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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
Now that Trump has actually led NATO into doing what it's supposed to do? I don't see the point; Russia still exists.


Russia is about to become our strongest ally and NATO countries will become our enemies. The combined strength of said NATO countries pales in comparison to what Russia brings to the table so their loss won't be felt. The days of the US siding with weak democracies that expect handouts are over.


That’s prognostication that is far beyond my ability.



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For years we have had the blue helmet "peace keepers"


Who, when they do show up, just stand around while all kinds of mayhem goes on literally within sight, or engage in atrocities themselves. A good use for the 5.56 green-tipped rounds.





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what Russia brings to the table


Lol.

Lmao.

What is it they bring to the table besides being unable to project power outside their borders? We're how many years into their 3 day special military operation?



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what Russia brings to the table


Lol.

Lmao.

What is it they bring to the table besides being unable to project power outside their borders? We're how many years into their 3 day special military operation?


Nearly 5500 nukes... massive mineral wealth.... potential staging ground for a Western front against China. I don't see Russia with Reagan glasses and Trump doesn't either.
 
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We're how many years into their 3 day special military operation?

In WWII, in about the same amount of time, the then-Soviet Union had gone from near-defeat to being on the offensive, retaking most of their lost territory and making the moves on Berlin. Modern Russia can't even take Ukraine.





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