For the first time in recorded history a woman is happy her husband came home with crabs. They arrived safe despite the note inside stating inspected by the TSA. First time we had a chance to sit down as a fam and make dinner. 5lbs, slathered in butter, garlic and old bay then throw on the grill. Finish it off with some homemade tiramisu by my daughter.





OK, so I've got a buddy who's a flight medic and is going to be flying back on Christmas night from Dutch Harbor. I'm flying down to Arizona for a belated Christmas with the family the day after Christmas.

He's bringing me 5 pounds of fresh caught Alaskan Gold King Crab. I've already made arrangements here for packaging and dry ice to put it in with checked luggage. Unfortunately I've got to change planes in Seattle. Alaska Airlines baggage handlers there are currently doing a sickout and bags are not being transferred and flights delayed.

So here's the idea, take the foam out of one of my SKB quad rifle cases, packing the crab in it, and throwing in a starter's pistol which is technically considered a firearm by TSA. So yes, that means extra time at check in, but non TSA locks and hopefully less chance of having things messed with. I've done this in the past with my daughter traveling to archery tournaments. It lessons the chances of a baggage handler picking up her bow and playing with it. There's been a number of archers that have had their bows dry fired while in transit and getting to their destination with a destroyed bow repacked in the case.

So am I over-reacting and over-thinking this?

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Originally posted by 2000Z-71:
So am I over-reacting and over-thinking this?

Yes. Its 5 lbs of crab.

Yes. Just pack it as usual and take your chances.

Once through TSA, your firearm luggage is going to be handled by the exact same sick out baggage handlers as your regular luggage.

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Originally posted by gpbst3:

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Originally posted by 2000Z-71:
So am I over-reacting and over-thinking this?

Yes. Its 5 lbs of crab.

I agree with this. Even if it gets delayed a couple days the dry ice should ensure it arrives safely.

Jim

I guess the main question you need to ask yourself is how important is it that the crab arrives at the destination the same time as you. Will you be disappointed if it doesn't arrive?

I have a buddy that used to travel with high-end camera gear all the time and lost more camera gear than he liked until he started throwing a pistol in the box, declaring it and tossing his own locks on the bag.

I know camera equipment is way more expensive than the crab but the same question above applies as far as I'm concerned.

If it is important to have it there it's not a waste to go the extra steps.

You cannot bring dry ice inside a pressurized cabin. It depletes the oxygen and it's what caused everyone to die on Payne Stewarts private jet......I think it was lobsters in a cooler with dry ice.

Just put it in the checked baggage, and I agree with everyone else, in reality it's $100 of crab.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
You cannot bring dry ice inside a pressurized cabin. It depletes the oxygen and it's what caused everyone to die on Payne Stewarts private jet......I think it was lobsters in a cooler with dry ice.

Just put it in the checked baggage, and I agree with everyone else, in reality it's $100 of crab.

Where the hell did you hear this. The best theory after the investigation was a closed flow control valve which was a problem in that model of Lear.

Jim

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
You cannot bring dry ice inside a pressurized cabin. ....

You certainly can, and most airlines permit about 5-6 lbs.

The sublimation of dry ice on any aircraft, would not equal that of a few people exhaling c02 during the flight.

Cabin air is no more than compressed, and "conditioned" ambient air from the aircraft air conditioning packs (Mechanical Accessories driven by jet engine compressor stage bleed air). But the source of the air is brought in from outside the aircraft, conditioned and then introduced into the cabin to replace air (and cabin pressurization) lost through outflow valve(s).

I won't even address the rest of your post.


To the OP. Clear with the airline, mark the container, and...

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
You cannot bring dry ice inside a pressurized cabin. It depletes the oxygen and it's what caused everyone to die on Payne Stewarts private jet......I think it was lobsters in a cooler with dry ice.

Just put it in the checked baggage, and I agree with everyone else, in reality it's $100 of crab.

Lol, I heard it was Jimmy Hoffa in a cooler full of dry ice on Payne Stewart's plane

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Originally posted by Jimbo54:

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
You cannot bring dry ice inside a pressurized cabin. It depletes the oxygen and it's what caused everyone to die on Payne Stewarts private jet......I think it was lobsters in a cooler with dry ice.

Just put it in the checked baggage, and I agree with everyone else, in reality it's $100 of crab.

Where the hell did you hear this. The best theory after the investigation was a closed flow control valve which was a problem in that model of Lear.

Its 123, what do you expect but unfounded claims?

either carry it on (best answer), or ship it UPS if you're concerned about everything else

Good rule of thumb is 1kg dry ice expands to about 20 cu feet.

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Originally posted by Jimbo54:

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
You cannot bring dry ice inside a pressurized cabin. It depletes the oxygen and it's what caused everyone to die on Payne Stewarts private jet......I think it was lobsters in a cooler with dry ice.

Just put it in the checked baggage, and I agree with everyone else, in reality it's $100 of crab.

Where the hell did you hear this. The best theory after the investigation was a closed flow control valve which was a problem in that model of Lear.

Jim

I was told this by someone I know that worked for him way back when it happened and did not research it, as it wasn't something of interest to me at the time. After just now reading the NTSB report and TSA guidelines.

You guys are correct that the TSA allows a maximum of 5-6lbs of dry ice on an airplane. And, all I can find on Payne Stewarts crash was they know depressurization of the cockpit but are not 100% certain of the cause.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
I was told this by someone I know that worked for him way back when it happened and did not research it

So someone like this told you?



Seemed legit....

[QUOTE Even if it gets delayed a couple days the dry ice should ensure it arrives safely.

Jim[/QUOTE]

.....if not....HOOOohhoooohhhhaaaaaaahahaaaahaaahhoooohooohooo

"oops"....

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Once through TSA, your firearm luggage is going to be handled by the exact same sick out baggage handlers as your regular luggage.

Sure, but if there's a "gun" in it, you can use real locks the TSA can't open without bolt cutters and a good reason instead of glorified keyrings the TSA has keys for and can open for shits and giggles.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
You cannot bring dry ice inside a pressurized cabin. It depletes the oxygen and it's what caused everyone to die on Payne Stewarts private jet......I think it was lobsters in a cooler with dry ice.

Just put it in the checked baggage, and I agree with everyone else, in reality it's $100 of crab.

Jimmy, doesn’t that sound a little questionable? Like questionable enough to do a google search? It took ten seconds to read more than one source that said the following.

NTSB investigators concluded that the aircraft failed to pressurize and that all on board died due to hypoxia as the aircraft passed to the west of Gainesville, Florida. The aircraft continued flying on autopilot until it ran out of fuel and crashed into a field near Mina, South Dakota.

2000z71, the gin case is overboard. I’d just pack the crab and hope for the best. You can always pick up a box if Trident king crab legs from Costco. $210 for the ten pound box.

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Originally posted by Beancooker:

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
You cannot bring dry ice inside a pressurized cabin. It depletes the oxygen and it's what caused everyone to die on Payne Stewarts private jet......I think it was lobsters in a cooler with dry ice.

Just put it in the checked baggage, and I agree with everyone else, in reality it's $100 of crab.

Jimmy, doesn’t that sound a little questionable? Like questionable enough to do a google search? It took ten seconds to read more than one source that said the following.

NTSB investigators concluded that the aircraft failed to pressurize and that all on board died due to hypoxia as the aircraft passed to the west of Gainesville, Florida. The aircraft continued flying on autopilot until it ran out of fuel and crashed into a field near Mina, South Dakota.

2000z71, the gin case is overboard. I’d just pack the crab and hope for the best. You can always pick up a box if Trident king crab legs from Costco. $210 for the ten pound box.

The accident happened in 1999, there wasn't a whole lot of internet back then to look things up. Someone that worked for him (a pilot) told me that, and at the time seemed logical (dry ice gives off CO2) and the thread jogged my memory and I posted it. Enough dry ice will take enough oxygen out of a plane to kill everyone. But a lot more than 5 lbs though. Your statement is false as well, the aircraft was indeed pressurized at first, then something caused it to lose pressurization. NTSB wasn't able to determine what exactly caused the de-pressurization, due to the wreckage being so bad, they feel it was a valve, but not certain.

FWIW, and at 50% off, if you act now, I have been through altitude chamber as criteria for meeting requirements for flight status.

Experiencing hypoxia, even when given the fore-knowledge in the confines and protocols of the chamber sessions, one is often still taken by surprise, and even quite sobering to see afterward how quickly you're awareness, function and assessment ability are compromised.

Most (myself included) had the "I got this" mentality and often thought we were excelling in the session, only to realize, once good old "Oh Two" was re-introduced into our grey matter, that we were without a doubt, unable to even piss ourselves without someone assisting.

The Payne mishap, like others under similar conditions, can result in an aircraft with a pressurization problem occurring from/before takeoff, and the awareness of such a condition not being sensed by aircrew or passengers.

This was likely what occurred.

As often is the case, overconfidence, and the mindset that one is smarter than the systems one is manipulating, leads one to their failure faster than anything.

But trying to convince another of their weakness in recognizing it, is more difficult the task.