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When we originally discussed the new Bronco, one of my biggest concerns for this vehicle was Ford's current seeming inability to manufacture vehicles without a continual stream of recalls following them. The release of the new Bronco has been nothing short of a cluster with Ford struggling mightily to get this vehicle across the finish line. Now there's this.... All Ford Bronco 'molded-in' color hardtops will be replaced, deliveries still delayed If your Bronco hasn't been built or scheduled yet, you're probably getting a 2022 at least I found this quote from the article especially disconcerting/discouraging...."People who reserved a Bronco before March 21, 2020, will also have MSRP protection so that they're immune to any model-year price increases. That will apply even to 2023 models, just in case (which is simultaneously reassuring and not)." So if you're waiting in line for a Bronco, it looks as though the waiting will be even longer. Let's hope the final cobbled together product (just like all the partially completed F150's and F250's parked all over) don't spend more time in service departments than in owner's garages. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | ||
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I had two Fords (2015 Edge and 2012 F150). I got fed up with BOTH of them. Had a couple recalls on the Edge, the last of which made me wait 6 months and it never got fixed by the time I sold it (it was a brake line issue that could have caused the car to catch on fire). The F150 had a plethora of troubles (oil intercooler replaced, both front wheel bearings replaced, front and rear differential bearings going out,. . .). BOTH were dealer-serviced, received ALL the recommended maintenance, and neither was blatantly abused. Both started puking out on us around 130K miles. Bought two Toyotas. These were the first-ever foreign cars I've ever owned (with the exception of a 2009 VW (and I swore I would never buy another VW, either) and a German Capri I owned while stationed in Germany). Never looked back. I have zero faith that Ford will be able to fix its many problems. The Bronco seems like a disaster in the making. I don't think all these thousands of vehicles setting around waiting for parts are going to be worth the money (typically, a vehicle sitting idle for months introduces a whole lot of problems). . . Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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None of the tops are made by Ford, yes they chose the contractor, but the problem is there, its not a Ford design flaw, or production error at Ford. Its a third party company that provides the part. So blaming Ford for the issue is like blaming GM for the TATA Japanese failed air bags that every manufacturing company used. A stretch. These tops are produced by a contractor called Webasto. Their new Michigan plant, one designed specifically to produce tops for the Bronco, has been overwhelmed by the demands of Bronco production. The company is planning to greatly increase its production of hardtops, perhaps by opening a second facility in the Detroit metro area, but that would still not provide a serious solution until 2022. That is a major concern for the production and delivery of Broncos already changed to an MIC hardtop order earlier this year. All of this would mean that the Webasto-built tops would be a problem for Ford even if they were of consistently high quality. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
How much? 160,000 dollars?  | |||
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| Fill your hands you son of a bitch |
They're just too damn small. I had a 85 Bronco and loved it, unfortunately because of Ford shitty silver paint it caught cancer and just rusted away. The new model reminds me of the Bronco II disaster. | |||
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| The Whack-Job Whisperer  |
I've been a Ford guy for almost 27 years. I currently have a 2017 Taurus. For the 1st time in many years, Ford is not producing a vehicle that I have a use for or appeals to me. They only make trucks now. I buy cars. Ford walked away from a lot of loyal buyers. Good luck with their sales plan. Regards 18DAI 7+1 Rounds of hope and change | |||
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| As Extraordinary as Everyone Else  |
All vehicle manufacturers are nothing but assemblers of subcontracted parts for the most part. It is the responsibility of Ford etc. to vette their subcontractors and that is something that Ford clearly failed to do so yes it is their responsibility and they are at fault for probably taking the lowest bid without doing their due dillegence. ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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My first thought when I saw the new Bronco was it's a nice looking truck. My second thought was too bad it's a Ford. | |||
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Really Ford "clearly failed to vet" this company LOL I doubt seriously that Ford dumped a billion dollars on their largest gamble and said " aw don't sweat it, use Webasto, never heard of them but hey they are cheapest, lets give them the contract for $100 mill of tops no reason to check them out, we'll be fine...  Most likely it's something thats coming out once mass production has started that didn't happen in a tighter controlled development stage. Happens all the time. FYI: Webasto is a global company with $3.9 billion in sales, it's not Charlies Fiberglass Tops and Strip Club on 8 Mile... The Webasto Group is a global innovative systems partner to almost all automobile manufacturers and among the top 100 suppliers in this industry sector. The company’s product portfolio comprises a broad range of roof and heating systems for every type of vehicle and all drive types as well as battery systems and charging solutions. Moreover, Webasto has a strong position in the aftermarket providing dealers and end customers with customized solutions and services relating to thermo management and electromobility. In 2019 the company generated sales of around 3.7 billion euros and had almost 14,000 employees at more than 50 locations (with over 30 of these being manufacturing plants). The headquarters of the company, founded in 1901, is located in Stockdorf near Munich (Germany). Proximity to customers is an essential factor of Webasto’s success. In Europe, in addition to eight German locations, Webasto operates plants in France, Italy, Great Britain, Romania, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and the Netherlands. The Company also runs plants in the U.S., Mexico, South America, Japan, Korea and Australia. In the world’s largest automotive market, China, Webasto currently operates 11 sites. In order to be able to constantly develop convincing customized solutions, Webasto employees work closely together across all departments and regions. The trusting, creative work atmosphere—with flat hierarchies and short decision-making paths—offers dedicated team players with a strong innovative spirit excellent opportunities for personal development around the world. | |||
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Make all the excuses you like for Ford, but I'll bet you $100 this top issue is only the start of a long string of 'issues' for this vehicle. Ford has struggled to manufacture vehicles like the F150 that up until this past year had not seen huge changes. The Bronco is a new product all together which I just don't have any confidence in Ford having the ability to produce without major issues. If Ford proves me wrong (which I hope they do), I'll be more than happy to come back here and eat crow. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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| As Extraordinary as Everyone Else |
Size has nothing to do with the ability to manufacture a part correctly. All it means is that they are probably producing shitty parts for other primes all over the world… Either that or the specs provided by Ford were so poor that a quality product could not be manufactured under those requirements…take your pick. BTW, I’ve had Fords for over 30 years and currently have a F-350 in my stable. ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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| Green grass and high tides  |
No to the op's thread title. "Practice like you want to play in the game" | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
When we started talking about them here... I thought they looked pretty cool. But now that I've seen them on the road, I don't think they look nearly as cool as they did in the pictures. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Thank you Very little |
If you can shoot it, I can cook it! No excuses, simply pointing out that it wasn't FORD making the part, it is their responsibility to make sure it's done correctly, and that we should expect massive numbers of failed items with Ford is absurd. Every new vehicle launch finds problems, does Ford needs to correct it, and it seems they have acknowledged the issue and are working on it. BTW I have all Fords, none have been sent back for recall, repair, or spent a minute in a dealer service bay. On Webasto, just pointing out it's not some fly by night company, they need to step up and fix the problem. They supply more than Ford... | |||
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As many know here, I drive a 2001 Ford F150 I bought brand new as my daily driver, and love the truck. It's had few recalls and the ones it has had have been trivial IMO. I'm not anti-Ford, but I am greatly annoyed at their recent inability to even do the simplest of things with their vehicles. The Bronco 'could' be a hugely successful product for Ford given the interest and already developing after market, but Ford seems intent on pulling success from the jaws of failure. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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I think much of Ford's current problems, and many manufacturers these days is the built by committee approach they have to take with the amount of specialized technology on each vehicle. I don't know the numbers, but I bet the number of components built in house by Ford is astonishingly small. I decided after my last vehicle purchase that I'll never own anything newer than mid eighties again if I can help it. I don't want or need the technology or complexity, and the parts I do care about (drivetrain and suspension) are pretty easy to update to modern standards. If the auto manufacturers won't build what I want I guess I'll just have to do it myself. "The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people." "Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy." "I did," said Ford, "it is." "So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?" "It honestly doesn't occur to them. They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates the government they want." "You mean they actually vote for the lizards." "Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course." "But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?" "Because if they didn't vote for a lizard, then the wrong lizard might get in." | |||
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Note that Ford is making two Broncos, the larger Bronco, which this article is about, and a smaller one, the Bronco Sport which this recall doesn't affect. I have the 2021 Bronco Sport and it's styled much like the Generation I Bronco made from 1966 to 1977 and I prefer it to the later models, Gens 2 thru Gen 5 and I also prefer it to the current larger Bronco. It's also 20 inches longer than the Gen 1 Bronco. It doesn't seem to have the teething problems the larger Bronco has at all. Mine has been flawless so far. And the reason Ford quit making cars is that almost nobody was buying them, so they lost money on them. There are enough people who want a car instead of a Truck or SUV to support a few car makers, but not all of them. | |||
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| Thank you Very little |
Yep you have the shiniest F150 in Orlando! I need to get mine over for a spa day! | |||
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I've seen a lot of Bronco Sport on the road, which is a FWD/Escape-based 'Bronco' The OP mentioned Bronco is much larger, bigger than a JLU Wrangler. I've only seen 1 big Bronco on the road, and it was a tiny glimpse in traffic, definitely not small. Not sure how the big Bronco compares to the ubiquitous OJ era Bronco. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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| Thank you Very little |
I've heard it moves faster in afternoon traffic and it's easier to see who's in the back.... | |||
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