I really want one of these. But I’m planning on holding off for a couple years because I want to give my current vehicle to my son when he turns 16. That gives me time to see how they turn out. I love that they are offering a manual transmission and they are surprisingly affordable, especially in today’s market. Or, I should say, they have affordable options.

I swore I’d never own another Ford after the total PoS that was our 2008 Explorer, which we bought new and had nothing but problems with. Among many other issues I had to have the transmission rebuilt after 120k and the damn thing had never been used for anything more strenuous that getting groceries and dropping kids off at school. So as much as I want the Bronco I am paying close attention to their rollout. I’m far from impressed. I’m far from surprised either though.

Funny enough I just read this today. There are thousands of them outside the factory in Michigan right now waiting for something. But they are just sitting there.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...igan-assembly-plant/

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Originally posted by P250UA5:
I've seen a lot of Bronco Sport on the road, which is a FWD/Escape-based 'Bronco'

The OP mentioned Bronco is much larger, bigger than a JLU Wrangler.

I've only seen 1 big Bronco on the road, and it was a tiny glimpse in traffic, definitely not small.

Not sure how the big Bronco compares to the ubiquitous OJ era Bronco.

OJ's was a Gen 5 which is 183.6" OAL. The Current large Bronco is 173.7" to 189.4" OAL depending on which one you get.

I've seen the MINI Clubman Bronco sport around town. Not the regular Bronco.

The only way to make the Bronco look better is park it next to a 2021 Land Rover Defender.

I too have only seen the sport model around town. I have stopped by the local dealer a few times and they only have the sport.

Last year I was in Colorado and staying at the same hotel as a bunch of Ford employees on a long test drive with a bunch of new models, including several variants of the Bronco. They had them covered at night but I got lucky and caught them driving in one afternoon. The full size models are very good looking.

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I’m a Ford guy. Not to drift but they came down a couple notches when the Mustang became a crossover or suv whatever you want to call it. That’s just wrong.

I'm waiting for the Bronco II.

We test drove a loaded 4 door soft top demo and we really like it. It rides good. Plenty of power with the 35 inch tires. Plenty of room for us. Interior was nice.

It did already have a problem though. The doors have frameless windows. When you start pulling on the handle the window lowers a bit to open. The driver window was already broken and would not go all the way back up and seal. I am sure there will be many more gremlins to come from a new model.

Thankfully they are on never ending back order so maybe all the kinks will get worked out by the time they actually make enough to have them on the lot.

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Originally posted by 06wrb:
Thankfully they are on never ending back order so maybe all the kinks will get worked out by the time they actually make enough to have them on the lot.

Check the pics in the links provided throughout this thread. Ford has already build a ton of these things, and they're stockpiled in a few locations. Also something I found entertaining in a video I watched, the rear window on the hardtop Bronco cannot be opened unless the rear swing door is fully open as the window impacts the door unless its completely open. Unfortunately, opening the rear door in many parking situations is simply not possible given it opens out and not up like many other vehicles. To me personally that's a total design flaw and would drive me crazy. I used to own a 1993 Ford Explorer and I can't tell you the number of times I popped the rear door window to load something in the back.

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I’m a Ford guy. Not to drift but they came down a couple notches when the Mustang became a crossover or suv whatever you want to call it. That’s just wrong.

Yeah That should have been the new Maverick, and the new Maverick should have been an F100, maybe the names didn't pan out in their eco friendly green climate birkenstock mocha latte frappachino drinking pajama wearing consumer tests.

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Originally posted by HRK:

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I’m a Ford guy. Not to drift but they came down a couple notches when the Mustang became a crossover or suv whatever you want to call it. That’s just wrong.

Yeah That should have been the new Maverick, and the new Maverick should have been an F100, maybe the names didn't pan out in their eco friendly green climate birkenstock mocha latte frappachino drinking pajama wearing consumer tests.

Personally, I think the new Mach 1 EV and Ford Lightning should have been given unique names under a Ford sub-brand to set them off from the garden variety Ford offerings. Kind of like Volvo did with the new PoleStar brand.

Well I just cancelled my reservation for one and hopefully will be seeing the refund of my deposit hitting my account.

I was initially excited about it, but it has just been one disappointment after another. First was one was the option packaging. Initially a 4 door Badlands was not available with a hardtop and a V-6. It could be configured with a 4 cylinder and a hardtop or a V-6 and a soft top. Dealer kept assuring me it was a glitch in the system and they would be able to order a Badlands with V-6 and hardtop. Then the hardtop was only available on a Badlands V-6 if I opted for the dual top option group.

Then there was the pricing, a 4 door Badlands with V-6, Sasquatch package and all the off road options was $58k. There's a whole lot of other vehicles I'd rather buy for $58k or less. Significantly more than a similarly equipped Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon.

Then there were the delays. First it was delayed for Covid. Then, was told that the Sasquatch package would not be available for another year. Now there's the whole hardtop debacle.

Sorry Ford, you has many, many years to get this right and you still failed.

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:
I’m a Ford guy. Not to drift but they came down a couple notches when the Mustang became a crossover or suv whatever you want to call it. That’s just wrong.

Nice Tesla ya got there...

Mustang Mach-E is eligible for a $7,500 Federal Tax Credit

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
Note that Ford is making two Broncos, the larger Bronco, which this article is about, and a smaller one, the Bronco Sport which this recall doesn't affect.

I have the 2021 Bronco Sport and it's styled much like the Generation I Bronco made from 1966 to 1977 and I prefer it to the later models, Gens 2 thru Gen 5 and I also prefer it to the current larger Bronco. It's also 20 inches longer than the Gen 1 Bronco. It doesn't seem to have the teething problems the larger Bronco has at all. Mine has been flawless so far.

And the reason Ford quit making cars is that almost nobody was buying them, so they lost money on them. There are enough people who want a car instead of a Truck or SUV to support a few car makers, but not all of them.

Isn’t it 3 different Broncos on at least 2 different platforms. The Bronco sport is on the Escape platform and there is a 2 and 4 door model on a different platform.

I guess Ford is following Jeep. When someone says Jeep these days it could be any number of different vehicles on multiple different platforms.

My wife was interested in a full size and a local dealer had a customer order come in. We went and got to really look it over, it had the hard top. If it had been for sale, my wife would have written a check, she really liked it. Talking to the salesman about ordering and it's a two year wait. we won't be doing that. I asked if we could use a friend's reservation and that was a no go, friend would have to buy it, then resell to us.

Everything she likes is on long wait lists, her other is a Kia Telluride, we can't even find one to look at.

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Originally posted by 06wrb:

It did already have a problem though. The doors have frameless windows. When you start pulling on the handle the window lowers a bit to open. The driver window was already broken and would not go all the way back up and seal.

Gawd, how i hate that feature on some cars. I had a converible Mustang for my rental a few months ago with that same design. It too, the rear driver side window, would not seal. It had a huge one inch gap.

I saw a brand new Ford Bronco in its natural element. Buried up to its axles not even 250 feet from the entrance at the Outer Banks, NC driving beach. It was basically a car that looks like an SUV, with no ground clearance, street tires aired up to 45 PSI. I just shook my head.

It was a pretty bad representation of its actual abilities as the jeeps and other SUV's just drove on by. Even the all wheel drive Subaru cars just drove on by.

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Originally posted by hooch:
They're just too damn small. I had a 85 Bronco and loved it, unfortunately because of Ford shitty silver paint it caught cancer and just rusted away. The new model reminds me of the Bronco II disaster.

Most likely not from the silver paint but bad metal and poor or no metal pre treatment before painting.

Parts shortages are killing auto manufacturers right now.

Just in time parts delivery was all the rage the last few years....might be time to rethink that

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Originally posted by 06wrb:
We test drove a loaded 4 door soft top demo and we really like it. It rides good. Plenty of power with the 35 inch tires. Plenty of room for us. Interior was nice.

It did already have a problem though. The doors have frameless windows. When you start pulling on the handle the window lowers a bit to open. The driver window was already broken and would not go all the way back up and seal. I am sure there will be many more gremlins to come from a new model.

Thankfully they are on never ending back order so maybe all the kinks will get worked out by the time they actually make enough to have them on the lot.

Our 14 yo 911 had the same frameless side glass technology. Flawless