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| Never miss an opportunity to be Batman!  |
Besides the state law in California, almost all departments have a no carrying a pistol in a bar when you are consuming alcohol rule in their General Orders. | |||
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semi-reformed sailor |
More likely, policy of the respective agencies. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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Telecom Ronin |
My wife and I have been having this discussion for the last couple of years. She is no where near a prog but her question the other day struck me. "Since the really is no answer that does not infringe on the 2ndA, I just have to accept that it is a possibility whenever I go out? To which I replied, "that's what I do", she did not like that answer ...she really has no idea on how I prepare for going anywhere with crowds...even to the mall or outlets. I have walked her through some things and while she knows how to operate my EDCs and the bedroom AR she does not want to carry herself. I am an adamant believer in "Freedom is messy" and "no one but you is responsible for your safety". We dealt with sporadic violence as a country for our first 100+ years, we are also one of the only countries in the world that have the RIGHT to own the tools to defend ourselves properly....but Most people lost the ability to defend themselves ability during the 20th century ...some do not even want to have the ability "as we have evolved to a more civilized way of thinking/acting"......which is great if everyone agrees and acts in the same fashion....history/reality tells us that will never happen Since neither side will deal with this issue in good faith and the thought of giving .gov the power to decide who is crazy and who is not is truly chilling. Years ago I started training and adjusting my EDC to counter islomofacist attacks in crowded venues I see this type of attack as the same thing I see there is no real answer to this beyond...gear up and get trained and do the same for your loved ones. Make sure at the very least they; - Understand the signs to look for - Know how to operate your EDC, I normally carry 2 in crowd situations for this reason - know how to use a BOK...even better if they carry them - Understand concealment and cover and how to use them. | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive.  |
Blue Oyster Kult? | |||
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Big Ole Knife? https://chandlersfirearms.com/chesterfield-armament/ | |||
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| Hop head |
my wife is the same, she can use the guns we have in the house for self defense, and has a couple that are hers she has no desire to carry, and knows I usually do, she is not a big fan of people, and not a big fan of big crowds (exception being the concerts we attend 3-6 times a year) we went to a movie on Halloween night, and the place made her a bit uneasy (thinking about past incidents) https://chandlersfirearms.com/chesterfield-armament/ | |||
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Fighting the good fight |
I think he means Blow Out Kit, which is a small trauma kit designed for treating gunshot/stab wounds. (Like a vehicle blow out kit designed for patching a hole in a tire.) But yeah, some further explanation is helpful when using acronyms that many folks wouldn't be familiar with...  | |||
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A few days ago I saw a young girl on a Tucson bus with a BIG Ole Knife strapped to her belt. Imagine a small thin girl with a BIG knife and it didn't raise an eyebrow on the bus. ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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I find it interesting that the off duty cops weren't carrying, regardless of the rules. I would say that 75-80% of cops wouldn't be caught dead without their guns and they know that the odds of a cop busting another cop for carrying is almost zero. Although I applies especially to other cops, I know that I have come across people carrying where they shouting be carrying and looked the other way. If I see some gang banger carrying somewhere they shouldn't be they will be thrown out or charged. But a dad or husband carrying to the movies or ballpark is no threat to others. It's all about discretion. | |||
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In regards to the OP's original remarks about the guy shooting into a wall... well, I've done that more than once... does that make me crazy? My Native American Name: "Runs with Scissors" | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
Sounds like the guy was a nut way before he went into the Marines and the PTSD causing this stuff is BS. The more they look into this guy's background the more obvious that many people knew he was a nut waiting to go off but they did nothing. From the article below: Cluke recalled a time when she and her father sat down with Long for a talk and asked him why he wanted to join the military. His answer, she said, “is burned in my soul.” “He said he wanted to be in the Marines because he wanted to go fight in the war for our country and he wanted to kill for our country,” she said. “When you hear somebody say they want to be in the military because they want to kill people in the name of our country, that’s chilling. It chilled me right down to my bones.” https://www.mercurynews.com/20...latile-intimidating/ ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Irksome Whirling Dervish |
In my CA CCW class it was stressed that you can carry where you're in a restaurant where alcohol is served but not the primary thing. So if I went to a bar that requires me to leave my gun in the car however if it's a restaurant where alcohol is served along with food, then I'm OK carrying but the consumption of alcohol while carrying is a strict no-no. As far as LEO carrying on private property, that too is up to the private propery owner. At major sports venues where metal detectors and wands are used, off duty carry by LEO, state or fed, is not allowed unless working a case. The sworm for 24/7 argument does not work unless actively working a case and if you were, you wouldn't be going in the front door. So the cops being unarmed might be a bar policy but more likley than not, it's a departmant thing. No department I'm aware of allows someone armed to go drinking in a bar. | |||
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There’s no CA law regarding cops carrying in bars. It depends on agency policy. Mine says we can’t carry while “intoxicated or impaired”. No definition given for those terms so it’s up to us. If I go out I’ve got a gun. Bars, restaurants, strip clubs, whatever. One beer, maybe two. If you’re a pro maybe it’s six, you just have to be prepared to defend why you shot someone and why judgement wasn’t screwed up by the booze. I feel for those guys in the bar. Maybe their agencies forbid carrying. Maybe they left it at home to go get sauced and hang out with some college chicks in booty shorts and boots. Whatever the reason, it’s going to haunt them for the rest of their lives. | |||
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| Fighting the good fight |
In addition, LEOSA (the federal law that allows officers to carry off duty nationwide) specifically bars officers from carrying while "under the influence of alcohol". | |||
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A Grateful American |
I find it regrettable we did away with the Group W bench... Too often some sad sack soup sandwich worms his/her way into the military and we and up with a Bowe Bergdahl, Bradley Manning or some other fucktard crapping in the punchbowl at the Dining-in. And the taxpayer bleeds green for a long, long time. But I would like a little more pressure applied to the pud tuggers to weed them out in boot camp, where the Sgt. Hartman's used to rule. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
What does that mean? What's the standard? Same as driving? One sip? Falling down drunk? I ask because in Utah, the standard is the same as driving, .08 BAC currently. (Starting next year it will be .05) ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Ignored facts still exist |
A guy who was quite high in rank at my County's Sheriff Department refused to carry off duty, and even openly stated that he had no need for a firearm off duty. He said, "I'd rather be a good witness, and I'd be one heck of a good witness." Whatever the hell that means. Luckily he retired and left the police work to those who are more capable. But I've heard from other cops that some cops just don't / won't carry off duty, believe it or not. . | |||
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I worked with State Correction Officers who didn't carry on duty, but carried off duty. Their reasoning was you never know who you're going to meet on the street. ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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| Fighting the good fight |
It's not defined in the LEOSA statute, and I don't believe there has been case law about it yet. It will likely depend on the circumstances, the court's interpretation, and potentially state law. (Unfortunately, LEOSA was notoriously poorly written, and left a number of gaps and gray areas. Some of them have been clarified through legislative edits and case law since it was first enacted, but still others remain to be clarified.) | |||
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| No ethanol! |
If I lived next to you it would make me wonder and ask about the circumstances. If you're out of control, yes. ------------------ The plural of anecdote is not data. -Frank Kotsonis | |||
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