I was introduced to this today. Search for it, it really helps to define leftism and other forms of stupidity.

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Dunning-Krueger effect

AKA Cliff Klaven Syndrome

It's not really just applicable or relegated to leftists. Political views are based on people's world views and their certainty their perspective or how they see things are correct.

Dunning-Kruger effect is where people with low ability or knowledge in a specific area tend to greatly overestimate their own competence, while people with high ability often underestimate theirs. People with high ability often are aware of how much they don't know because of how much they do know. People with low ability think they know a lot because because they don't know how much they don't know.

Dunning-Kruger effect can be objectively measured as to a person's ability. Dunning-Kruger doesn't apply to a leftist because their views are not based on their ability at a particular area but because of their biases.

I’m pretty sure I’m not in the top right of that graph Rey. I’m trying to come up with a sentence or two why I thought it applied. I’m not having much luck. I’ll let you guys run with it. Maybe I’ll learn something.

It’s interesting insight to confidence and understanding regardless.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
Dunning-Kruger effect is where people with low ability or knowledge in a specific area tend to greatly overestimate their own competence...

A close corollary is someone who is sophomoric: having a little bit of knowledge while believing oneself to be an expert.

While you are right that this can occur in people of all political stripes, it definitely is overabundant among Leftists, who are often young, in college, or a freshly minted college grad.

In fact, being a Leftist requires someone to have a sophomoric arrogance. Some of us outgrow that, maybe most of us, but others tend to have arrested development and remain Leftist their entire lives.

There is a reason 19 year-old college students are called sophomores.


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I think a good example of this is Stockton Rush (Titanic Submersible) who had little knowledge in the area of deep sea submersibles, but because of his background (engineer, aerospace), overestimated his own ability which led to overconfidence. He clearly lacked awareness of the extreme complexities and risks in ultra-deep submersible engineering.

Ignorance and arrogance is the D/K effect.

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Originally posted by TigerDore:

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
Dunning-Kruger effect is where people with low ability or knowledge in a specific area tend to greatly overestimate their own competence...

A close corollary is someone who is sophomoric: having a little bit of knowledge while believing oneself to be an expert.

While you are right that this can occur in people of all political stripes, it definitely is overabundant among Leftists, who are often young, in college, or a freshly minted college grad.

In fact, being a Leftist requires someone to have a sophomoric arrogance. Some of us outgrow that, maybe most of us, but others tend to have arrested development and remain Leftist their entire lives.

There is a reason 19 year-old college students are called sophomores.


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This is interesting, because when I got out of college and started working in the real world in a real job....with consequences, I felt like I didn't know shit!

had a troll on a forum I now admin that liked to toss out stuff like DK when talking to and about other members,

funny, in a way, thing was, he was exhibiting all the same traits himself,

he truly thought he was above everyone else, he did have a serious case of TDS,

however out of the BS/politics section, his input on collectable firearms etc was very basic and limited, not someone you would read a post by and learn something, if that makes sense,

Something ironic about Dunning-Kruger is that frequently ppl who reference it are themselves guilty of the Dunning-Kruger effect. In other words, they think they grasp Dunning & Kruger's conclusions a lot better than they actually do.

For example, the graph of Mount Stupid below is an inaccurate representation of Dunning-Kruger's research, but I'm sure whoever made the meme thought he was very clever.



Here's an actual graph from their paper, "Perceived logical reasoning ability and test performance as a function of actual test performance (Study 4)"



If you really care to know more, look up "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments" - Justin Kruger & David Dunning. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6.

If you email me, I'll email you the article on PDF. I'll add that their paper opens w/ this very humorous anecdote.

"In 1995, McArthur Wheeler walked into two Pittsburgh banks and robbed them in broad daylight, with no visible attempt at disguise. He was arrested later that night, less than an hour after videotapes of him taken from surveillance cameras were broadcast on the 11 o'clock news. When police later showed him the surveillance tapes, Mr. Wheeler stared in incredulity. "But I wore the juice," he mumbled. Apparently, Mr. Wheeler was under the impression that rubbing one's face with lemon juice rendered it invisible to videotape cameras (Fuocco, 1996)"

Ouch!
Damn man.

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Originally posted by 400m:
I was introduced to this today. Search for it, it really helps to define leftism and other forms of stupidity.

Sadly but not surprising, the negative effects are compounded in an environment where a kakocracy prevails. The result, if not checked, is metastatic sociopolitical symbiosis.

Kakocracy refers to a government or system led by the least qualified, most unprincipled, or incompetent citizens. Derived from the Greek kakistos (worst) and kratos (rule), this term describes a state characterized by corruption, incompetence, and self-interest. It is often used to critique failing leadership.

These things used to be common knowledge and will be once again!

Godspeed and Good Hunting, Always

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Originally posted by 6guns:

This is interesting, because when I got out of college and started working in the real world in a real job....with consequences, I felt like I didn't know shit!

And that's because you're not a Dunning-Kruger exemplar. I play that character for fun and sarcasm. For example, we have a friend who's a physician assistant, they're not just "assistants," they can actually diagnose and prescribe treatments on par with a nurse practitionaer.

I've done it in the past and she's brought it up before when she's talking medicine casually with someone, I interject and say something like, "You shouldn't listen to her, she's only a PA. If you want real advice, ask me. I've watched over 200 hours of YouTube videos on medical procedures."

I'm being funny but I've met real people with that attitude in various areas. They will even argue with an actual lawyer or doctor or whatever field they have no actual experience in.

Those kind of people who think they know everything are so annoying to those of us who actually do know everything. </sarcasm>

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Originally posted by iron chef:
Something ironic about Dunning-Kruger is that frequently ppl who reference it are themselves guilty of the Dunning-Kruger effect. In other words, they think they grasp Dunning & Kruger's conclusions a lot better than they actually do.

To be clear, I’m not talking about the OP at all but I heartily agree with your statement in that these people are first to claim the people they’re arguing against are the ones afflicted with Dunning Kruger syndrome.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
I'm being funny but I've met real people with that attitude in various areas. They will even argue with an actual lawyer or doctor or whatever field they have no actual experience in.

This reminds me of the origin of mansplaining.

A woman had a conversation w/ a man at a party. They started discussing her area of specialty. She felt he was condescending to her, b/c she's a woman. He proceeded to cite information from a book he read on the NY Times Bestseller list to support his arguments. Even after telling him that she in fact was the author of that book, he continued to dismiss her.

It reminded me of this Kurt Vonnegut gag from Back to School brought to life.



Since mansplaining & Dunning-Kruger entered the popular lexicon, they've both evolved away from their true meanings. Nowadays, anytime a woman disagrees w/ what a man says, she can accuse him of mansplaining as a shutdown rebuttal.

I used to commonly hear, "___ knows just enough about ___ to get himself in trouble."
Now ppl like to sum that up by citing Dunning-Kruger.