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My Dr and cardiologist are both strongly recommending I not get the jab. But they say if I absolutely have to the Johnson and Johnson is a lot safer than the rna ones.

Really lousy that they are requiring a totally ineffective vax for other medical procedures. Good luck with your daughter. Hope it goes well!

These are questions for your daughter's doctors, not friends on the internet. i certainly understand where you're coming from and I'm sure many here will want to help--it really is a great place that way--but advice from anyone without (i) medical training and (ii) knowledge of your daughter's specific circumstances is by definition uninformed.

Putting all of the (mostly justified) criticism of the medical field aside, the vast majority of doctors really want to help their patients. Get their advice, ask questions, and make a well-informed decision.

Not to sound flippant but can you get an opinion from another doctor?

It sounds like your current doctors do not have your daughters best interests in mind at this point.

I know lots of people that have had the vaccine, including myself, and have had little to no issues. The worst have been some flu like symptoms for 12 hours or less after the second shot.
At the same time I have several friends that have died from Covid or complications. That helped me decide. It's a risk/reward calculation. I wasn't forced by anyone. I had the Moderna version.

Your daughter won't live without a kidney transplant (as I think you're saying in your post) and you're saying she can't get one without first having the vaccine.

I certainly can't say there couldn't ever be negative effects from the vaccine at some point. I just haven't seen any that I'm convinced were due to the shot. I also can't say for certain that it will really keep her from getting Covid, but she has a more immediate problem with her kidneys failing and that would result in her death.

Looking at the reports, it's a statistically insignificant difference in which could cause a problem. The Moderna and Pfizer seem to have the best odds in prevention and the J&J is much less without a second.
Other than that, I'd ask her doctors. I suspect they won't say that one is much different than the others because there seems to be no data that suggests otherwise.

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There is dialysis ... not perfect, but is what it is.

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Kidney patients on dialysis live an average of seven more years.

First and foremost, I hope and pray that all goes well for your daughter and your family. I have 4 kids (two grown with kids of their own) and an 18 and 16 year old and can't imagine what you all are going thru.

Second, as others have stated, I'm not a doctor and have no medical training but did do a lot of reading when I got the vaccine. I went with the J&J - I'm mid 50's with no underlying medical conditions. I got it back in April and had no side effects at all - not even mild. My wife (late 30's) recently got the vaccine and after a lot of reading and talking to her doctor went with the J&J also. She had a mild headache and felt a bit off the day after, but the next day was back to normal. Just sharing our experience, for what it's worth.

I hope whatever course you take that it leads to your daughter healing. God bless.

Old Dino,

I'm sorry to hear of the situation you and your daughter are in.

I have a family member that was recommended NOT to have the vaccine, until her required physical rehab provider (and only one that can provide this level) required it.

When she pressed her Doctors for recommendations, they refused to name one. She was told "if I recommend one over the other, and you receive that based on my recommendation, and you have or develop an adverse reaction, I could be held liable".
The same may be the case in your situation. The .gov is held harmless, but your Dr. is rightfully afraid of repercussions for "recommending" a vaccine when it is actually not in the best interest of the patient.

For the record, my family member went with J&J, and had no ill effects.

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There is dialysis ... not perfect, but is what it is.

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Kidney patients on dialysis live an average of seven more years.

Do you really think I don't know this ? And why do you feel the need to need to say this ? As a parent, apparently you just don't get it.

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I interpret the input being sought as not which vaccine is most effective, but which vaccine is likely to have the either the least probability of adverse effects and/or the least probability of severe adverse effects.

I'm still researching this as well. But based on the information found (which is limited), I would lean towards the J&J - basis is that while adverse effects can be severe, the probability of adverse effects and/or unknown long term adverse effects seem lower. Again, not definite but that's what info available today seems to suggest.

If I were to get a shot in the next month or so, I'd lean toward the J&J.

Now after re-reading your first post, this is more which vaccine to get question, not if.
With that in mind, I'd say Moderna (which I got) or Pfizer over J&J.

In my non-professional opinion, the J&J was out and approved much later than the other two and I suspect the one shot approach was to appeal to people that would prefer only one shot. When you look at the studies about efficacy, the two shot MRNA versions showed over 90% but still had in the upper 60's if you had only gotten one. That's about what the J&J one shot has. When the recommendation for the booster came out for all three, the J&J had a wait time of only 2 months from shot #1 vs 6 for the other two. With the second (booster) J&J shot, the efficacy also went to 90%+, like the other two. That tells me the J&J should have been two shots from the beginning and the one shot idea was more from their marketing department.

As far as adverse reaction reports here, the J&J had few but was originally a one shot vaccine.
I got the Moderna two shot and only had a reaction from the second one and most reports I've read have been the same experience. Nothing with the first, any reaction was to the second.

A better comparison between the two MRNA and J&J would be after getting the second "Booster" J&J to see if the reaction is different than the first.

In any case, the reaction was mild. My brother-in-law had a liver transplant a year and a half ago and the doctors gave him the two shot Pfizer vaccine and he had no reaction from either. He's since had the third booster and also no reaction.

Beyond that, your guess is probably as good as anyone else's.

I am not sure what the best decision here is for her and completely understand the vaccine hesitancy you all have.

I have been on dialysis and it's awful, even worse than awful. Very happy my one and only kidney restarted after several months, though damaged.

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I am not sure what the best decision here is for her and completely understand the vaccine hesitancy you all have.

I have been on dialysis and it's awful, even worse than awful. Very happy my one and only kidney restarted after several months, though damaged.

Sir ...thank you for sharing, it means a lot to us. Please continue to share with us if you may both online in this forum or by way of email. I will be glad to share with you our personal email.

Your thoughts first hand mean a lot to us ... I am sure you no doubt understand.

So sorry to hear what your daughter is going through and having to make this type of decision on top of it. I don’t understand why she would be required to get the vaccine for either. My mom is being treated for cancer and they want her to get the vaccine, but she doesn’t trust it so she won’t get it and I respect her decision. So does her doctor, he still treats her.

I personally had the Moderna and my wife had the Pfizer. The second shot sucked as you felt like you had the flu for about 24 hours. I don’t know of anyone who has gotten the J&J, but if it is really the same concept as the flu shot and I was in the same situation as your daughter, then I think I personally would choose the J&J. I would hope her doctors would provide input if they are saying it is required and I would want to know WHY is it required.

I hope all goes well for your daughter!

I had the J&J + booster and had absolutely no after effects other than a slight lethargy after the booster.I am 64 with mild HTN.

When I made my choice, I went with J&J as it was the only one that was not a mRNA shot, but nearer to a more 'traditional' shot.

My wife had Moderna + booster. She is a 4 time cancer survivor and Moderna was the choice recommended by her doctors. She had little to no after effects either.

Best wishes for you and yours in the tough choices you have to make.

That's tough, I'm sorry your daughter is going through this. I wish nothing but the best for her.

I can't really tell you what to do, other than a couple of points, that you can take at face value.

1. There is a TON of misinformation flying all over, both pro and con to the vaccine. Not a day goes by that I don't see someone I know posting or saying something that is at best unproven, and at worst, blatantly false or a conspiracy theory. While doing your research, I'd encourage you to fact check, and then fact check the fact check.

2. For what it's worth, I'm vaccinated. I got a THIRD Pfizer shot about 2 months ago. My wife did as well. We have had zero complications, other than my wife being tired for the day after the shot. The rest of my extended family is all vaccinated as well. I'm talking at least 26 other people, from ages 7 to 76. There have been ZERO complications other than some brief immediate (and very mild) flu like symptoms immediately after the shot, and even those were rare. (from what I have heard from them, the Moderna shot had the more severe side effects, but that is because it is "stronger" and provided better protection)

3. I have coworkers, and friends who have gotten various shots and NONE of them have reported any side effects out of the ordinary. We are talking in excess of 200 people. I hear lots of talk about "I know a guy/gal who developed an ingrown butthole or whatever from the vaccine." I can't verify a single one of them, by talking to an actual person who has reported a serious complication or someone with any FIRST HAND knowledge of the person, not just "i heard about a guy..". (that doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but in my personal experience I have not experienced it first hand, or known anyone else who has.)

EDITED TO ADD - I have another colleague that had a heart transplant a few years ago. He got the vaccine before anyone else in the area, and got the third booster shot in August. He has had absolutely ZERO complications.

4. Like some other posters have said, What does your daughter's doctor say? Of anyone that doctor is going to know your daughter's medical history the best. The first opinion I'd get is his. Then I'd ask for a second opinion by an equally qualified doctor (I assume that her current doc is qualified, otherwise you wouldn't be dealing with him/her).

5. Good luck, I'll keep you guys in my thoughts and hope for a speedy recovery.

Kevin

When my wife and I were forced to (thanks to biden's mandate) by our employers we did our research and took the J&J under duress (while not as significant as what your daughter is going through).

VAERS reports for the J&J were MUCH lower (percentage wise) vs the two mRNA vaccines and since neither of us see any real benefit to it (we're in our early 40s and relatively healthy) we chose the one that was a more traditional vaccine. We had a hard time finding a local pharmacy that had the J&J.

I had no noticeable side effects. My wife felt off for a day or two.

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I can't verify a single one of them, by talking to an actual person who has reported a serious complication or someone with any FIRST HAND knowledge of the person, not just "i heard about a guy..". (that doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but in my personal experience I have not experienced it first hand, or known anyone else who has.)

One of my best friends had an acute stroke after having had the Pfizer shot.

So now you know someone with first hand experience.

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Originally posted by KevinCW:

I can't verify a single one of them, by talking to an actual person who has reported a serious complication or someone with any FIRST HAND knowledge of the person, not just "i heard about a guy..". (that doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but in my personal experience I have not experienced it first hand, or known anyone else who has.)

One of my best friends had an acute stroke after having had the Pfizer shot.

So now you know someone with first hand experience.

I'm not trying to be obtuse or disrespectful when I ask this question, I'm sorry about their difficulty. Furthermore, it may not be possible to EVER know for sure other than educated guesses...

Did the vaccine cause the stroke? Or would that person have had the stroke anyway had they not had the shot? Is there any way to tell that? I don't know, I'm not a doctor, but I'd be interested to hear some their doctor's opinion.

First off, I'm going to just say that I'm furious people like you are being put in this position unnecessarily by government and the medical community. I have not been vaccinated, nor will I be, but if I had no choice, the J&J vaccine would likely be my selection. I do not trust the potential long term impacts of the MRNA vaccines, and the drug companies have zero long term data to prove the safety of these concoctions.

I wish you and your daughter all the best with her medical treatment.