When someone gets a transplant, they are usually given drugs to suppress the immune system and prevent rejection of the organ. With a lowered immune system response, if exposed to CoVid-19, your life and a precious organ are at greater risk. The requirement for vaccination is logical.

I am not a medical doctor. I’m a retired biomedical engineer. My family includes a recent graduate MD at a UCLA Hospital, a pharmacist at IU hospital, an ICU nurse, a VA hospital PharmD, and a Research Fellow with multiple pharmaceutics patents. We all had Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

My best wishes to your daughter and your family.

Archie makes a good point. Anti rejection drugs do suppress the natural immune system.

Maybe the surgeon isn't willing to stake his livelihood on it. I can understand that.

FWIW, I have a history of multiple counts of cancer, and have had 2 heart attacks. 24 months ago I underwent major orthopedic surgery. I suffered COVID-like symptoms shortly thereafter, but COVID had yet to be a thing then. IOW, I'm physically messed up.

I took the J&J vaccine willingly and have not experienced any side effects whatsoever. Given my generally derelict physical condition, I'd expect to be at risk for any side effects if they existed, or otherwise a bout of COVID.

I appreciate wanting any input, but you really need to follow the advice of a doc you trust and not amateur virologists on a gun forum.

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Originally posted by KevinCW:
4. Like some other posters have said, What does your daughter's doctor say? Of anyone that doctor is going to know your daughter's medical history the best. The first opinion I'd get is his. Then I'd ask for a second opinion by an equally qualified doctor (I assume that her current doc is qualified, otherwise you wouldn't be dealing with him/her).

Just one comment on this. My 84 year old mother is being treated for a serious, ongoing, heart condition. I cornered her cardiologist, a guy with credentials and notoriety out the wazoo here in Central Florida do ask him some questions about her condition and treatment. When the conversation moved to Covid, I rapidly found he didn't know jack crap about Covid treatment and current developments with the virus. All he knew was to parrot the standard "get the vaccine" BS. When I asked him for a good reason why to take one of the vaccines, he first stumbled around offering little more than medical mumbo jumbo followed by his assertion that being vaccinated would provide substantial protection against being infected by the virus. When I offered him several references to studies indicating the vaccines did not prevent acquisition and transmission of the virus, as well as Pfizer and Moderna's own product documentation indicating no claims of prevention of the vaccinated getting and/or spreading the virus, he quickly became annoyed and simply told me everyone should get it, period. Respect level went from 90 to virtually zero with that response.

I have friends who are both nurses and doctors, and I respect their opinions on health related issues. They will not however go near anything Covid related other than to parrot the standard party line. I simply offer this to suggest that the Op be very suspect of anything Covid related shared by his doctors. Simple reality....It is not in the doctor's best interests professionally or monetarily to share anything other than the approved party line response to the question of whether people should be vaccinated.

Archie, Kevin: i would counter your points with limited vaccine effectiveness, unknown possible complications with the procedures and what seems to be good results with protocols like ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies. For most people, covid is no worse than the flu. But this is not the discussion the op is seeking.

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Originally posted by konata88:
Archie, Kevin: i would counter your points with limited vaccine effectiveness, unknown possible complications with the procedures and what seems to be good results with protocols like ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies. For most people, covid is no worse than the flu. But this is not the discussion the op is seeking.

No, it isn't the discussion he is having, and I'm not going to have that discussion anymore in here out of respect for that, despite my disagreement with both of you in the interest of clogging up his thread.

If you guys want to make a new one, we can discuss it there.

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Originally posted by KevinCW:

Did the vaccine cause the stroke? Or would that person have had the stroke anyway had they not had the shot? Is there any way to tell that? I don't know, I'm not a doctor, but I'd be interested to hear some their doctor's opinion.

Honestly, who can really say for sure? His dozen or so doctors had no idea what to attribute the stroke to. They were as surprised as he was. My friend is a healthy 39 year old with no preconditions and zero predispositions that would put him in any risk group for a stroke.

He's convinced of the cause though. And frankly so am I.

I'll also add that he is nearly 100% recovered from the stroke. He may have some lingering effects for some time to come, but he is damn near 100% back to normal.

My thoughts and prayers for your daughter.

I am of the opinion that getting vaccinated or not is a personal choice, not one that should be forced upon anyone.

I'm in my mid 50's and got the J&J shot in April. I got chills that first night while sleeping, but no other side effects.

My significant other is wary of the potential side effects of the vaccines. She caught COVID the weekend before Thanksgiving and I have to say it's been pretty rough on her so far.

My wife and I both got vaccinated because we have elderly mothers with health issues and we need to be able to get on a plane at the drop of a hat. Now, the airlines haven’t required vaccinations (yet), but we didn’t know that they wouldn’t. So she got the Pfizer and had no side effects other than a sore arm. We are both convinced she had been infected early on before tests were available, based on symptoms. I got the J&J because I tend to get a flu like reaction to any vaccines I get, and one day of the flu is better than two. I also was more comfortable with the tech behind the J&J. We are in our late 50s/early 60s.

As a parent, I truly wish the best for the OPs daughter. I also wish she didn’t have to take the shot, but this isn’t the first time I’ve heard of a similar situation.

For what it’s worth, my doctor and I had a lengthy conversation about Covid and vaccination. His advice was, should I choose vaccination, Pfizer. He was “lukewarm” about Moderna, but told me to absolutely stay away from J&J; didn’t give a specific reason. For the record, I present with a Cardiac history.

Prayers to you, your daughter, and family.

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please share with us your thoughts on which vaccine our daughter should get (against her beliefs) so she can get the medical attention she needs.

I don't say this to offend, but this is a question that should be asked of her physicians, not an internet gun forum. She obviously has doctor's that care for her, they know her medical history, and frankly they are the professionals in this field. If she and you entrust them to car for her, why wouldn't you seek their opinion on the matter?

I think part of the reason is that based on the events of the past 12-18 months, many have begun to question the motives and loyalties of their physicians/medical community. I am not talking about front-line nurses. I am talking about top-down directives on topics such as this.

Your family doctor isn't likely to have any more insight than anyone else. It's a good idea to get as many opinions as you can and to research as thoroughly as time allows.

Not a doctor, but I do have something relevant to share.

This week, I had a colonoscopy and was given the choice of 2 outpatient facilities for the procedure. One required covid test and vaccine, and the other didn't require either. In other words, it could be the facility the doctors are using for the procedure driving the vaccine and it's worth asking if it's a doctor requirement or surgery center requirement. If the later, then asking if there is another surgery center that doesn't require the vaccine.

I also know that a kidney transplant is many, many orders of magnitude a bigger deal than my colonoscopy so it may all be a moot point due to hospitalization after the kidney transplant.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
Your family doctor isn't likely to have any more insight than anyone else. It's a good idea to get as many opinions as you can and to research as thoroughly as time allows.

Exactly.

The fact that pediatricians, including it seems my own daughters', are recommending shots for children means that I will always second guess what these doctors say. Honestly, I doubt I will ever trust the medical and health industry of this country fully ever again after the last two years. And that is 100% their fault.

Well said.

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Originally posted by DaveL:
These are questions for your daughter's doctors, not friends on the internet. i certainly understand where you're coming from and I'm sure many here will want to help--it really is a great place that way--but advice from anyone without (i) medical training and (ii) knowledge of your daughter's specific circumstances is by definition uninformed.

Putting all of the (mostly justified) criticism of the medical field aside, the vast majority of doctors really want to help their patients. Get their advice, ask questions, and make a well-informed decision.

Best reply.

There is a small percentage of risk to all the vaccines.

I would do your research on side effects and likelihood for your daughter.

I chose Moderna for myself and wife and my son received J&J.

There is no easy answer here.

Your doctor should be the one to recommend what is best for your daughter and her condition.

While there are exceptions, unfortunately I agree with Balze. The medical community has lost my respect in similar fashion to the legal community and the financial community will in the past. Not quite the same level as car salesmen but then they aren’t subject to hippocratic oaths or fiduciary duties.

I guess oaths no longer mean the same today as the did in the past.

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I guess oaths no longer mean the same today as the did in the past.

They are more concerned about the "do no harm" portion as it relates to their employers or professional organizations than they are the individual patients. Same holds true for insurance companies.

Seems that the last party that's allowed to make a decision is the patient themselves.