Changing Apple monopoly

Saw this article this morning and could get on board with that.

Then, there was this......

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There is so much wrong in this you can't even list it. And does that woman actually have a spoon in her hand??

I despise Apple and their Apple stores. I own none of their products and won't ever buy any.

I am frequently forced to go to their stores because my offspring buy their shit. And have to go there with them when they are seeking upgrades or repairs. When there, we have to take a number and await some condescending Snowflakes arrival.

I am all for letting others repair Apples shit. Regards 18DAI

I could get behind that. I’m sick of everything being disposable. I’m also tired if having something like an iPhone break and have to shell out $300 to replace the screen on my wife’s phone, because no one had glass for that phone.

Yes, she’s holding a plastic (wooden) spoon. She’s armed and dangerous. You don’t ever want to mess with a mother armed with a wooden spoon.

18DAI, If you would have read the article instead of reflexively falling into an Apple rant, you’d see that this is about the entire industry, including the obstacles all manufacturers put up to prevent repairs. Specifically mentioned was Microsoft and the difficulty in repairing a Surface tablet.

It’s an industry-wide problem, not just an Apple problem.

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
18DAI, If you would have read the article instead of reflexively falling into an Apple rant, you’d see that this is about the entire industry, including the obstacles all manufacturers put up to prevent repairs. Specifically mentioned was Microsoft and the difficulty in repairing a Surface tablet.

It’s an industry-wide problem, not just an Apple problem.

And it’s not even just that industry. The auto manufacturers have been doing this for decades. There are still parts that you can only get from the manufacturer at a dealership parts department. And don’t get me started on the planned obsolescence utilized by the big 3 in the design of their vehicles.

People who want to have these devices repaired are in the minority and it would be a mistake to force a change in the industry for the small percentage of people who want to repair a device that isn't made to be repaired.

Modern electronics are made to be disposable. If you'd like to pay 2X and have an iPhone the size of the old shoe phones then demand they be made repairable.

I work on these products for the manufacturer- We can't get parts for the devices. We get the left over parts from the manufacturing runs.

Lots of parts are custom to that specific device at that time. No one else uses them or has a need for them. It's not something generally available or stocked.

i have had excellent experiences with Apple. Just bought the I Phone Xr and the support is excellent. Regarding repairs; it pays to br polite and pleasant, the people at the store deal with hundreds of people every day.

Go try and repair a Tesla. I wonder how compliant they are with the right-to-repair laws in MA and the other states. I’ve seen videos of their vehicles that are declared totals, and they blacklist the vehicle and refuse to sell the parts to repair it. I’m talking about relatively minor damage that wouldn’t cause a safety concern.

I also seem to recall increasing complaints about the difficulty with repairing appliances. Interesting that the article showed protesters with a HE washer.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
18DAI, If you would have read the article instead of reflexively falling into an Apple rant, you’d see that this is about the entire industry, including the obstacles all manufacturers put up to prevent repairs. Specifically mentioned was Microsoft and the difficulty in repairing a Surface tablet.

It’s an industry-wide problem, not just an Apple problem.

And it’s not even just that industry. The auto manufacturers have been doing this for decades. There are still parts that you can only get from the manufacturer at a dealership parts department. And don’t get me started on the planned obsolescence utilized by the big 3 in the design of their vehicles.

It's also the tractor industry...It's seems a lot of industries are moving in this direction:

JOHN DEERE JUST SWINDLED FARMERS OUT OF THEIR RIGHT TO REPAIR

People replace these devices every two or three years, in general. (I know, you may have kept your iPhone 5 for six years, but that is rare.) It doesn't make sense to make them repairable.

I detest the Apple IOS, but I dislike even more what the commies at Google/Alphabet are trying to do to the next election. thus I have ruled out Google/Alpha everywhere I can. I now own an Apple iPhone as they currently appear to be the lesser of the big tech commies. So far.

Much the same is going on in the watch industry. Swatch, which owns ETA and just about half of the other available brands, has cut the world off from parts needed to repair their movements. They're currently being sued in Swiss courts, but we can all guess how that is likely to turn out. Fortunately, other manufacturers have picked up much of the slack.

Planned obsolescence has been around for a long time.

1960’s book by Vance Packard

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Waste_Makers

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It doesn't make sense to make them repairable.

It's not so simple. It's one thing to be indifferent and simply not warranty 3rd party parts and repairs. It's something else to use the force of law to try and keep consumers from accessing and repairing hardware that they've purchased.

Additionally, Apple has intentionally used proprietary screws, and in some cases glue, to try and keep consumers from accessing their own hardware.

I have 3 screw drivers specific to Apple, that I had to purchase, because Apple chose to use a pentalope or other type of screw instead of the standard torx type. Same size, but proprietary head.

This type of behavior is unacceptable IMO. If I buy something, it's mine. If I want to void the warranty to repair it, so be it. Chances are such that I'm attempting repairs beyond the warranty anyway.

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Originally posted by Veeper:

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It doesn't make sense to make them repairable.

It's not so simple. It's one thing to be indifferent and simply not warranty 3rd party parts and repairs. It's something else to use the force of law to try and keep consumers from accessing and repairing hardware that they've purchased.

Additionally, Apple has intentionally used proprietary screws, and in some cases glue, to try and keep consumers from accessing their own hardware.

I have 3 screw drivers specific to Apple, that I had to purchase, because Apple chose to use a pentalope or other type of screw instead of the standard torx type. Same size, but proprietary head.

This type of behavior is unacceptable IMO. If I buy something, it's mine. If I want to void the warranty to repair it, so be it. Chances are such that I'm attempting repairs beyond the warranty anyway.

So, what do you advocate as a solution?

Mandating the use of standard fasteners?

Making some glue illegal?

This is not even taking in consideration that they push out updates that make the phones unusable so people have to buy new phones.

You are looking at an industry that is increasingly over priced. And spare me the “don’t like it, don’t buy it” lecture because the fact is in today’s industry your have no choice.

I am pleased to see the choice.

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Originally posted by Georgeair:
And does that woman actually have a spoon in her hand??

Several of them appear to be holding spoons, and at least one is holding a pot.

Banging on pots with spoons is common during protests and demonstrations. Draws attention and annoys the target (and the bystanders, and the police, and the animals, and...).

Similar to shouting chants, only requiring less effort and creativity.

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This type of behavior is unacceptable IMO. If I buy something, it's mine

And you were able to buy the correct tools yes? Is there a law from preventing you from taking it apart or buying specific screwdrivers? The automotive industry has been doing this for ages. Ever see a tamper resistant torx? I have. And guess what, I bought the tool to remove it. I didn't whine about Ford using it or demand they used a more common cross tip.

Maybe, just maybe, manufacturers use proprietary fasteners to keep people who have absolutely no clue what they are doing (not saying you don't) from taking something apart, fucking it up, and demanding it be fixed under warranty? Because that has NEVER happened before...

As it applies to any appliance, vehicle or item manufactured and sold in the USA there is federal law (Magnusson Moss Act) that prohibits manufacturers from requiring the consumer to only use them, their dealers or parts for maintaining a warranty.

If you are required to buy a part from them to keep from voiding the warranty they have to provide that part/service free. If GM said you have to use GM filters on GM cars or the warranty is void, you get your filters free per law.

If there exists a part that you can't buy in the aftermarket it's most likely because its so new it hasn't been replicated by the aftermarket. Some parts are not going to be replicated simply because the failure rate is so low it's not economically feasible to make an aftermarket solution.

However I'm not sure I get the point on warranty repairs where the product is under warranty. In those cases the manufacturer is going to replace or repair it under warranty.

Why would anyone want to repair an under warranty product themselves, other than time constraints IE it's 4 am and you need your iShit to work at 4am.

If it's out of warranty, there are plenty of places to repair iShit, Fix my ishit, iShit Repairs, plenty of them, iShituknot.

Apparently few read the entire article. The issue of "Right to Repair" for autos was discussed in detail. John Deere was touched on. The repair of apple products is restricted by apple, and other hardware manufacturers, with a variety of techniques, up to and including not selling replacement parts to repair shops or individuals.

It's a pretty long and detailed article.

Perhaps I’m missing something...I just yesterday took my daughter’s iPhone 6S into a local phone repair outfit — privately owned, a couple local locations, great staff — and had the battery and screen replaced in one hour for $140. Used the same place a couple years ago for another bad battery. Still expensive, sure, but I was able to get the repairs done with no obstacles or proprietary issues.