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I fully get the function > form part. Just the styling doesn't do much for me. I don't mind the high wings on the STi, EVO or something like the W201 190E Evo II Just something about the CTR styling doesn't pull my want strings. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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Wanting AWD is more about traction at line and coming out of a corner, not snow or ice handling. The larger the surface area the driving wheels are in contact the more force can be applied. Fat slick tires can do this or doubling the number of driving wheels can do it too. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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I understand that. Someone earlier in the thread was talking about all season tires, etc. I owned an a6 Quattro several years ago and can tell you the advantage of AWD is overblown in good conditions. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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Large wings such as this are usually functional at 100 mph or more. Yes they do provide downforce. But for 99.99% of owners it's completely irrelevant. It may drop your lap time if you have a circuit close, that has a decent sized straight, but nobody makes money at trackdays. In the end it's a design/looks thing. Owners will claim this and that however. Ring times are inflated, and that's an understatement. There is no standard rule body at the ring. Manus put roll bars in, chassis reinforcement, gut interiors, use "ringer" motors, use tires that aren't stock or what you get at the stealer, etc etc. None of them are production cars. They've all been modified in various ways and no standardization is there so it's clickbait. The Ring is great for dev but the lap times are internet fodder. If the manus would each test their cars 100% stock, the same as they are delivered to the end customer they could be used as reference. It's a joke in the industry. All the cars are modded specifically for the circuit and specifically to generate a time to market and hype up on the internet or in the magazines. Pobst, MT, etc, testing production cars back to back in California are more accurate than any ring data. But even those comparisons are completely skewed as they only test in the warm/dry. You rarely see 100% stock comparisons done in the rain, the snow, the cold. It's always warm/dry on the internet and those comparisons. They're a joke as well. Best thing you can do is go drive all the vehicles in the class or all you are interested in, and make your own decisions. Unless you are driving them all yourself you are letting the internet or magazines decide what you are spending 30, 35, or 40k on. What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone | |||
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I concede your point about 'ring time times...but the Type R still bested them!  If you believe this from Jalopnik: "Honda set the lap time with what they call a “pre-production model that was technically representative of production specification.” A floating roll cage was added for safety reasons, but Honda claims that the cage did not improve the rigidity of the frame. In order to compensate for the extra weight of the roll cage, Honda removed the rear seats and display audio system. The record-setting Type R was also outfitted with street-legal track focused tires. Honda declined to specify the actual tires used." ...it would seem that the Type R was "nearly production." | |||
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In my neighborhood you won't get home without AWD in December - January. You're right about not driving like an idiot with AWD. If you're driving smart it is a big improvement over FWD. AWD is a requirement for the wife and I until I retire and move to a more hospitable climate. | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
The Type R being the second fastest FWD car around the 'ring is impressive. The folk who brought us LeCar have the fastest. | |||
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The Civic Type R is hideous. Fast car for sure, but good lawd it is fugly. It looks like a fake WRX STi. I just don't want to stick out like a sore thumb. I prefer a VW GTI. I have 300+ hp, 300+ tq, and no torque steer whatsoever thanks to the factory LSD diff and other features. -------------------- I like Sigs and HK's, and maybe Glocks | |||
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| Ammoholic |
^^^ Golf R is listed at 280ish hp and ft lbs. What model GTI do you have? Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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I don't know much about the Type R I assume it competes with the top VW GTI, Subaru WRX STI, Focus RS, etc. I saw one at the local dealer when I was there having a recall done on my Ridgeline and while it looks like a nice piece were I interested at all the $5,000 "market adjustment" (if they can make anywhere close to that much stick) would turn me off. Chatting with a salesman I asked if they had any base Civic hatchbacks with a manual transmission. (I thought one could be a fun little car to compliment my truck). He said none on the lot and no one actually even wants a manual anymore but he could get one. But manuals only come in the two lowest trims... LX and Sport. I said "if no one wants a manual transmission anymore what about that $35,000 Civic over there that you have priced over $40,000?" LOL he stuttered out something like that's a unique performance car but most normal buyers want an automatic. I just said "ok I guess I'm not normal, it seems crazy you have 35 or 40 civics out there and not one manual though".  No car is as much fun to drive, as any motorcycle is to ride. | |||
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| Republican in training |
I have a 2016 GTI (with performance package and dynamic chassis control) with an APR Stage 1 ecu tune. The new/updated version of the low torque tune (that's at the crank per APR):  -------------------- I like Sigs and HK's, and maybe Glocks | |||
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So a pre-prod motor (ringer motor), roll cage installed, and they wouldn’t tell you what tires they used? . Hey if that justifies it to “you” it’s your money.What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone | |||
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Golf GTI’s look good but that’s about it. A cousin of mine had his bought back by VW. Not to mention, they lack the horsepower and modding them to get to the level of a type R you can kiss your factory warranty goodbye. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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| Republican in training |
100% Incorrect.  You might want to hang out in a GTI/R forum for a day and see the power these cars can make with the plethora of turbos available and endless fuel and tuning options.-------------------- I like Sigs and HK's, and maybe Glocks | |||
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Plus, for the warranty conscious, there's a tuning company (APR?) that offers pretty much an OEM+ tune. It voids the VW warranty, sure, but APR matches the VW warranty with their own. So, you're still covered. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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| Leave the gun. Take the cannoli. |
DAMN! You could buy a nice hardly used Vette for that kind of money. | |||
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Mensch |
Find another dealer & report them to Honda. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Yidn, shreibt un fershreibt" "The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind." -Bomber Harris | |||
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| His diet consists of black coffee, and sarcasm.  |
Put some Type R stickers on a regular Civic. That's good for 30 hp, at least. | |||
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Gotta include the red H badges too All kidding aside, it's definitely an impressive car, just has some polarizing attributes. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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I had a 1998 Integra Type R and that car handled really well. You could break it loose on hard corners and it would just slide and track. I miss that car. I can only imagine how good the modern Type R is. JC | |||
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