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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by airsoft guy:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
THREE ARMED CITIZENS?

Damn did he choose poorly.

1 in 15 people have a concealed pistol licence out here, all you gotta do is pay the county man $60, and have a clean background.

I’m paraphrasing you from a statement you made here some years ago, but I’ve found it to be true: In Western Eastern Washington, you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a dozen gun owners, and half of them will have guns on them when you do, so don’t swing a dead cat in Western Eastern Washington.

You seem to be holding your compass upside down, so I fixed it for you.

Western Washington is part and parcel of the Californicated "Left Coast", whereas eastern Washington is not.

You’re in Idaho and I’m here. Whatever.

Another snark duly noted. Next?

C'mon guys, we're on the same side, of the issue anyway, not the state.

The ant hills of Seattle, Bellevue, Mercer Island are rabid dens of socialism and hoplophobia. The rest of the state not so much. But the ant hills have more ants then all the free range ants across the rest of the state and we end up with Bill and Jeff and Howard and Paul buying legislation.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
Haven't heard a thing about this on the news, granted I am over the mountains at the moment.

I didn't think it would be, but it is actually on CNN (currently last item on main page).

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18...-shooting/index.html

Fox news reporting that the good guy citizen is a local pastor.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018...tor-report-says.html

I love a story with a happy ending

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Originally posted by mikeyspizza:
Fox news reporting that the good guy citizen is a local pastor.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018...tor-report-says.html

I know people hate the "sheepdog" reference so I'll go w/ "shepherd" protecting the sheep. We are minus one wolf.

An update:

Seems the “good guy” is really a “good guy.” Pastor, firefighter and medic.

“An armed civilian took down a shooter after at least two people were shot Sunday night at a Washington state Walmart, police said.

Tumwater police said the civilian, described by officers as a good Samaritan, shot and killed the suspect at the scene.

On Monday night, KIRO 7 confirmed the civilian is a pastor and works with the Oakville Fire Department, where he is a lieutenant and an emergency medical technician.

The shooting happened just after 5:30 p.m. at the Walmart Supercenter in Tumwater, about 65 miles south of Seattle.

“I heard two bangs. It sounded like gunshots to me,” witness Robert Berwick said. "I looked down the aisle and saw a person running.”

That’s when Berwick ran, too. There was chaos in the parking lot, and he said the shooting suspect tried to carjack another man. That’s when the suspect was shot.

“I thanked him for saving my life,” Berwick said of the attempted carjacking victim who shot the suspect. “He didn’t look like he had any regrets. I hope he doesn’t have any.”

Another witness to the shooting, Megan Chadwick, said her husband saw the civilian take down the shooter.

"He said he watched him (the shooter) take his last breath," Chadwick said. "There were three civilians going after him (the shooter) to shoot him and two of them had their guns up -- and then the third guy shot him through the window of the car."

Chadwick said her husband was armed as well.

She was inside the Walmart during the shooting with her multiple children.

"I looked over and saw hundreds of people running out. ... Just a flood of people and everyone was screaming and frantic. ... When we got about to the door, I heard someone say, 'Gun. Shooter.' And I knew something was serious," Chadwick said.”

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“The victim shot at random Sunday night at a Walmart south of Seattle is paralyzed from the neck down, his son told KIRO 7.

Ricky Fievez was in the parking lot when the suspect, Tim Day, tried to carjack him. Fivez was flown to Harborview Medical Center, where he was in critical condition Monday.

During the crime spree at the Tumwater Walmart, Day was approached by two armed civilians. One shot and killed him in the parking lot.

Earlier, police said Day carjacked a 16-year-old. He then entered the Walmart, which is about 65 miles south of Seattle, and fired at least one shot at a display case. No one in the store was injured.

Day, 45, then left and shot Fievez trying to carjack him

Records show Day has seven felony convictions in Washington dating back to 2001 and at least three gross misdemeanors going back to 2004. He also had convictions for malicious mischief and a failure to comply case from 1993.

He was released from prison March 1, 2016 and was put on community supervision until October 2, 2017, according to the Department of Corrections. ”

The nay sayers have weighed in:

“When a carjacking suspect began shooting at the Tumwater Walmart Sunday, Jesse Zamora was not the only shopper to reach for his gun.

He met another armed citizen in the parking lot.

"I don't even know the guy, he said 'are you armed?' I said yes and he goes, 'I'm armed too.'"

Zamora says that man told suspect Tim Day to drop his weapon, then shot him dead.

"My hats go off to the gentleman who did that," Zamora said. "However, I think we had a mutual understanding to do what we need to to protect all these people here."

The story of an armed citizen killing a violent crime suspect took off on social media.

"I think the guy's going to be deemed a hero," said Alan Gottlieb of the Bellevue-based Second Amendment Foundation.

"This is a case where a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy and we can see there's a good side of guns and guns save lives," Gottlieb said.

Jacqueline Helfgott chairs the Criminal Justice Department at Seattle University.

Helfgott said she didn't want to criticize the citizen who shot the carjacking suspect, but says she's concerned about the takeaway from this case.

"The idea that citizens packing guns are going to come to the rescue of innocent individuals in the face of dangerous predators, that's a dangerous message," Helfgott said.

Helfgott said while citizens should have a role in crime prevention, and are often on-scene before police, they usually don't have a police officer's de-escalation training or knowledge of the law.

"Yes, I'm very worried about the downside of the good guy with the gun because the bottom line is we need to get more guns off the street rather than get more guns onto the street," Helfgott said.

"The presence of guns create accidental victims, they create victims that die when they don't need to die."

A citizen who intervenes and shoots a criminal not only puts themselves at physical risk, but could face legal trouble.

"We see all the time where criminals in commission of a crime then sue the person who shot them even though they were the criminal," Gottlieb said.

That's why he says many gun owners buy insurance to cover legal bills, something that can be particularly useful if the well-meaning citizen accidentally shoots someone else.”

Re: "Yes, I'm very worried about the downside of the good guy with the gun because the bottom line is we need to get more guns off the street rather than get more guns onto the street," Helfgott said.

"The presence of guns create accidental victims, they create victims that die when they don't need to die."

Typical lib response. It’s BS – the record of licensed CCW folks is stellar. But OK by her if innocent victims die, as happens all too frequently when no armed savior intervenes.

Been doing the 911 thing for over 25 years, there is one thing I know for sure...

The police will ALWAYS get there just in time to take the report

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Originally posted by airsoft guy:
1 in 15 people have a concealed pistol licence out here, all you gotta do is pay the county man $60, and have a clean background.

That is a pleasant shock. I wonder why I don't have reciprocity out there? My CCP will take me through most of the 48 states,except those that touch the pacific ocean, most of the northeast and a handful of states in between.



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Originally posted by TigerDore:

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Originally posted by airsoft guy:
1 in 15 people have a concealed pistol licence out here, all you gotta do is pay the county man $60, and have a clean background.

That is a pleasant shock. I wonder why I don't have reciprocity out there? My CCP will take me through most of the 48 states,except those that touch the pacific ocean, most of the northeast and a handful of states in between.



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Could be a host of reasons, depending what state you live in. My Washington CPL used to be reciprocated in FL, until Florida decided to allow 18 year olds who were active military to obtain theirs, which Washington decided was not ok, so that ended about four years ago.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
Re: "Yes, I'm very worried about the downside of the good guy with the gun because the bottom line is we need to get more guns off the street rather than get more guns onto the street," Helfgott said.

"The presence of guns create accidental victims, they create victims that die when they don't need to die."

Typical lib response. It’s BS – the record of licensed CCW folks is stellar. But OK by her if innocent victims die, as happens all too frequently when no armed savior intervenes.

Meet Dr. Jacqueline Helfgott:

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She has been involved in research and service in correctional and law enforcement settings since 1987. From 1997-2000 she was principal investigator on a project funded by the Soros Open Society Institute's Center on Crime, Communities and Culture that involved development, implementation, and evaluation of "Citizens, Victims, and Offenders Restoring Justice" (CVORJ) a prison-based encounter program at the Washington State Reformatory. She coordinated a prison public art program called the “Creative Expressions Project” at the Washington Corrections Center for Women from 1993-1998 and at the Washington State Reformatory from 1993- 2010, and has been involved in research evaluating crisis intervention team model in law enforcement.

U of Seattle biosketch

Emphasis mine. As Pipe Smoker opines, never assume that subject matter studied makes a prof less radical Left.

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Originally posted by 911Boss:
Been doing the 911 thing for over 25 years, there is one thing I know for sure...

The police will ALWAYS get there just in time to take the report

Ha'

This is darn funny, and it's really no slight on the officers. It's obvious that you of all people know that.

We'll keep watching out for ourselves and each other, having each other's backs, etc. if you'll keep sending them to sort the whole thing out. If they are there in time, we'll stand down. If not, then we'll continue protect ourselves and each other like these gentlemen did in WA.