Fair winds and following seas, Gentlemen.

A sad day for the Navy, the SEAL community, and for the United States all around.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
Fair winds and following seas, Gentlemen.

A sad day for the Navy, the SEAL community, and for the United States all around.

Amen.

RIP. Godspeed to all our countrymen in harms way.

“Greater love hath no man…”.

Very sad indeed. I have to ask this why didn’t they carry a locatator beacon. Buoyancy vests? Boarding a ship in heavy seas.

An unfortunate occupational hazard

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Originally posted by Ozarkwoods:
Very sad indeed. I have to ask this why didn’t they carry a locatator beacon. Buoyancy vests? Boarding a ship in heavy seas.

Beacons are good for maybe 48-72-hours, and that's if it's out of the water and transmitting correctly. When in the water, only your head is viable and not submerged, basically the size of a basketball...more like a volleyball.

Did they wear glow-sticks, illuminators or strobes...don't know, SOP for each unit is different. In my experience, SEALs came across as a bit cavalier & loose with processes and procedures. One story I recall from a friend, prior to a joint mission, the SEAL unit relied on each member to insert waypoints and markers onto each person's GPS, whereas on the SF ODA, all navigation & comms gear was turned-over to one guy so he could do all the inputs thus making sure everyone was covered and things were consistent. This is just a lone example, we just don't know the details to this incident, and we're better off we don't, the work itself is dangerous.

Carl Higby (SEAL) stated on his show today that he also believes that there's more to this story that we're not being told. He'll be discussing it more on Greta's show. I don't think it's quite as simple as two SEALs falling off a boat...never to be seen again.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
Carl Higby (SEAL) stated on his show today that he also believes that there's more to this story that we're not being told. He'll be discussing it more on Greta's show. I don't think it's quite as simple as two SEALs falling off a boat...never to be seen again.

I'm not familiar with either of these shows. Details please (particularly the Greta one)?

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Originally posted by MikeNH:

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
Carl Higby (SEAL) stated on his show today that he also believes that there's more to this story that we're not being told. He'll be discussing it more on Greta's show. I don't think it's quite as simple as two SEALs falling off a boat...never to be seen again.

I'm not familiar with either of these shows. Details please (particularly the Greta one)?

Newsmax shows on at 1700 (Higby) and 1800 (Greta) eastern time.

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Carl Higby (SEAL)

I knew that name sounded familiar.

https://www.military.com/under...-powered-dc-gig.html

The more I read about this, the more I cannot shake the possibility that these men were loaded with gear to the point of having no buoyancy were they to hit the water; a terrible visual to imagine for both Sailors.


I won’t even pretend to understand how a mission like this is supposed to work, but I will be interested to read whatever reports are released after the investigation.

A terrible outcome. Would they not wear some kind of beacon?

The ultimate sacrifice. Prayers for their families.

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
The more I read about this, the more I cannot shake the possibility that these men were loaded with gear to the point of having no buoyancy were they to hit the water; a terrible visual to imagine for both Sailors...

I saw a short video by Rob O'Neill yesterday. He commented that he and his teammates would periodically put on their entire mission loadout including ammo and weapons and jump in a pool to determine sink/float and alter their gear accordingly.

My prayer now is that the two SEALs found each other and at least died together.

https://twitter.com/USNavy/status/1749534909067092405

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He commented that he and his teammates would periodically put on their entire mission loadout including ammo and weapons and jump in a pool to determine sink/float and alter their gear accordingly

We did this quarterly as well as before each overwater deployment.

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Originally posted by mdblanton:
The ultimate sacrifice. Prayers for their families.


I saw a short video by Rob O'Neill yesterday. He commented that he and his teammates would periodically put on their entire mission loadout including ammo and weapons and jump in a pool to determine sink/float and alter their gear accordingly.

I saw this and was going to mention it here. It didnt sound like it was a common practice or maybe it was just a DEVGRU thing, but it certainly sounds like a good idea.

I would have thought that any SpecOps unit, especialy SEALs, would have trained muscle memory for shedding gear when hitting the water unexpectedly.

Hearing “Mansions of the Lord” in my head…

It's really hard to imagine how two Navy SEALS could simply fall off the side of a boat and disappear. Considering their training, equipment and conditioning, something ain't adding up.

we're never gonna know what happened