There's no question here, the guy should fry

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Originally posted by honestlou:
Hunters orange is always a good idea if walking in the woods during deer season, but at 200 yards at dusk it is unlikely to have made any difference. This guy saw movement and a shape, and held on it. He would not have distinguished orange in that light.

Diminishing ambient light always plays hell with the color spectrum. Most particularly anything in the red to yellow end of the spectrum.

Another vote for negligent homicide at minimum.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Freakin' negligent idiot.

And he didn't shoot her accidentally. He hit exactly what he was aiming at. He just didn't know what he was aiming at because he didn't bother to identify it first.

Exactly, people like this should not be hunting and I question whether they are smart enough to even own guns. I doubt after this he will ever legally be able to. Someone lost their life over this moron.

just a horrible situation.

I applaud the hunter for trying to render aid when he could have tried to escape.

He should be punished but they should take that into account.

Another reminder of the importance of firearms safety fundamentals.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
200 yards? Damn.

Not at all. I used to knock over ram-sized targets all day long with my 10" T/C chambered in 7mm TCU. Open sights.

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Originally posted by mark60:
We also had someone local shoot a pickup yesterday that they thought was a deer. These examples are part of the reason I'm a bowhunter only these days.

I stopped going into the woods during firearms deer season years ago. Too many "weekend warriors" with firearms traipsing about out there.

To those suggesting she would have been wise to have been wearing blaze orange: True, but it probably would've done little good at that time of day and at that range. This is why you're supposed to knock off at sunset, no?

What a senseless tragedy

^ Yeah, I wasn't thinking about Thompson Center types when I wrote that.

I can hit targets at 200+ all day long with my (AR) Pistol, too.

At first I was thinking of "regular" pistols, so it seemed pretty impressive.

If this guy had done just ONE of the things right that he did wrong, this would not have happened. I have no sympathy for him.

The guy took a 200 yard shot at dusk at an unidentified target. I'm not sure an orange hat would have helped.

I suspect that he was scoping her out and squeezed (accidentally?) the trigger. The "thought it was a deer" is the excuse.

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Originally posted by EasyFire:
I suspect that he was scoping her out and squeezed (accidentally?) the trigger. The "thought it was a deer" is the excuse.

Yeah, who knows. After all, we only have his account of what happened. It may not have even really been 200 yards.

Explain to me how wearing blaze orange (or any other color for that matter) can prevent a shooting in darkness? Did the idiot hunter have a 600 lumen light attached to his pistol?

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Originally posted by FN in MT:You are in command of a deadly weapon. Screw up and You should pay for it.

I think that's what a lot of us would like to see when firearms are involved in such tragedies. You're and must, be accountable.

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Originally posted by sgalczyn:
Article I read had him hunting after hours and <100 yes from structures so in violation of a few game regulations. And while not criminal....they will be any number of civil wrongful death suits.

In NYS you can't discharge a firearm within 500' of a structure without permission from the owner.

Here in MN legal hours are 30 min after sunset. At that 30 min mark you can't tell something is blaze orange any more - at least I can't. Once my own blaze starts to fade I know it's time to stop hunting since I won't be able to properly verify my target after that point (another hunter could be walking behind the deer etc).

From sunset until about 25 min after blaze seems to nearly glow - it's doing its job... this guy was negligent as hell shooting that late, while trespassing.

I'm not sure that we know what time he shot, only what time he called it in.

I'm betting that there were more than a few minutes worth of "Oh shits", "What do I dos", and assessing the victim and her need for help.

It said a single shot pistol. That could be a Thompson Contender of some kind, or, a little less likely, one of several bolt action pistols. Those are all available in rifle rounds more than capable of good accuracy at 200 yards, although that is still a very respectable distance for pistol shooting, even from those guns with scopes.

As everyone agrees, the moron hunter did everything wrong in this case, and should be liable for killing this woman. It seems even criminal liability isn't out of the question. He seems at least reckless (in the legal sense of the word) or may very well be negligent.

I went out hunting 7 times this year, several times right up until last legal light 30 mins after sunset (and yes I did get a great buck the last day, but at 8:30 in the morning). The light gets iffy 15 mins after sunset, by 30 mins the deer would have to be pretty darn close for me to shoot, and that's with decent optics. A handgun would have to have a big honking scope to chance a shot at 200 yards. No way it was iron sights. Play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.