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Waiting for Hachiko |
You really need to think about what you are saying , "lucky" shot? 美しい犬 | |||
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| Fuimus |
Agree with LDD. She wasn't too smart because she didn't pay attention that it was hunting season and strap on blaze clothing. Come on now. | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive.  |
Indeed. No one but the shooter bears any fault here. He failed to properly identify the target before squeezing the trigger, on top of trespassing and any other issues. | |||
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You are correct of course but this is not the first time this kind of thing has happened. Always a good idea to help yourself by helping idiots like this shooter. A orange hat, scarf my have saved her life. I don't think he will do any jail time at all. Just a horrible accident.....RIGHT  "You can take your pistol and stick it so far up your ass, the muzzle of it is visible when you cough." | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss  |
I couldn't agree more, which is why I said that I wasn't blaming the victim for this and I never would. But, why make it easier for these things to happen? And yes, I went out to the shed to haul in wood earlier today and put on my red plaid woolrich shirt. It's the end of hunting season around here and I trust nobody...even when on my own property. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive. |
^ Fuck that, being that concerned. (It's your house, do what you like, of course) | |||
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Wow, this idiot won the wrong lottery. The only thing he could say is 'it was an accident', however all of us gun owners know damn well that this guy tried his mightiest to get 'that deer' and there was nothing accidental about his action other than his decision if 'he should've'. A 200yd shot, with a pistol, 40+ minutes past sunset, on somebody else property, very low-light conditions...good grief, everything wrong and he makes a hit. The poor women who was killed did nothing wrong. Yes, being in a hunting area, wearing bright, possibly reflective clothing would've helped, however let's not bury the lead, she bears no responsibility, it's all on Jadlowski. | |||
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Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici |
If she had been wearing the recommended orange scarf then this rocket surgeon would have decided that it was a buck with fashion sense. And yes, it can be dark at that latitude at that time of day in deer season. _________________________ NRA Endowment Member _________________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis | |||
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Thompson Center Contender, I would guess. Popular with the Metallic Silhouette crowd. And I don't think he "found" her, more likely a deliberate shot and he went to retrieve what he thought was a deer. I no longer deer hunt, but when I did, I don't think I ever tried a shot over 100 yards. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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Sad, sad, sad that a local life was lost when stupidity was to blame. Another local shooting was just as horrific, a dad shot his own son to death. Our county is a popular spot to hunt for out of towners, but the stupidity is never at a loss. Shooting at sounds before daylight is often an oft told story that just makes me cringe. Not only do I want to see a deer, I want to pick the shot carefully to make it less painful for the deer. One shot, one kill is my target philosophy. But oft times I hear "hunters" emptying their guns as fast as they can, the spray and pray philosophy  _________________________________________________ "Once abolish the God, and the Government becomes the God." --- G.K. Chesterton | |||
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| Waiting for Hachiko |
I live in a very rural area, and am outside a lot during the evenings after dark during hunting season. I can't tell you the number if times I hear rifle shots in the pitch dark . They are either spotlighting or like that idiot that shot the lady, shooting in the dark at something they percieve as moving. About 5 years ago, 15 miles from where I live, a man walking his dogs within 100 yards of his home (heading toward home) was shot and killed at twilight by a hunter , shooting toward the road. Turns out the shooter was a NRA instructor. All hunters are not irresponsible. But the irresposible ones will get you killed. I am very hesitant even walking on my property toward twilight, even with a flashlight, during hunting season, and glad as hell when its over Many times, I have seen vehicles stop in the road, I guess watching me , thinking I was a deer, walking back to my home on my farm road on my property. Really sad thing to happen. 美しい犬 | |||
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Article I read had him hunting after hours and <100 yes from structures so in violation of a few game regulations. And while not criminal....they will be any number of civil wrongful death suits. "No matter where you go - there you are" | |||
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There is nothing wrong with taking shots over 100 yards. I can take a 500 yard shot with 100% positive ID and confidence of a clean kill. But this guy obviously didn't make a positive ID. As dark as it is now at 5:20, he probably saw her eyes glow and thought it was a deer. I'm sure he feels terrible, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't pay a high price for what he did. It was not an accident. | |||
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Coin Sniper |
The article noted a single shot pistol. Most likely a Thompson Center pistol, probably chambered in a rifle caliber like .243. I have a friend with one that can shoot a ground hog in the nose at 300 yards. They are typically scoped so this guy should have had a clear view of what he was shooting at. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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| Banned |
It should be this simple: If you fail to identify your target and take a life, you go to prison for a long time. | |||
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| Smarter than the average bear |
1) 200 yards is not that difficult with the proper pistol. 2) He should be charged with negligent homicide. 3) Hunters orange is always a good idea if walking in the woods during deer season, but at 200 yards at dusk it is unlikely to have made any difference. This guy saw movement and a shape, and held on it. He would not have distinguished orange in that light. | |||
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Corgis Rock |
Thirty years ago a hunter shot a housewife, in her back yard. http://outthere.bangordailynew...tion-in-maine-woods/ Again, the argument was made that it was her fault. She "should have" worn orange. She had put white socks on her hand (as was a suggested option). The hunter was too close to the house, and knew where the houses were. I suspect the land he was trespassing on was posted. As it was 40 minutes after hunting had ended, he obviously was ignoring even the most basic safety. Agree with Honestiou, at 200 yards, in the dark (sunset was 1632, how much color can one see? Nope, it was late, he saw something move and fired. “ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull. | |||
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| Like a party in your pants  |
My 14"T/C Contender in 30/30 is more than capable of shooting accurately at 200 meters. I shoot mine in IHMSA matches were you have to shoot and knock down 50# steel rams (10) at 200 meters. Not that hard to do consistently. NO excuse for this shooter. His carelessness cost somebody there life and ruined her family and friends. If he could shoot and hit his target at sunset or right after with a handgun, at 200 yards, he is a experienced shooter and should know better. He makes all of us look bad. | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive. |
Most of the 50-ish deer I've shot in my life were between 150-325meters out. Where you hunt often determines this more so than any other factor, fwiw. I've hunted tons in West Texas, and most everything is way out there... | |||
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| The Constable |
Years back in Lincoln, MT (Home of the Una Bomber) a LOGGER was shot through the hips, with a .45-70. He was burning piles of slash...the branches, brush, etc... left over from logging operations. He was on top of a 20 foot tall pile...setting it on fire with kerosene. Much of it was ON FIRE! He was mistaken by a mid west "hunter" , for a MOOSE. Poor guy was never able to walk right again and lived with constant pain. The NY guy deserves a LONG jail term. You are in command of a deadly weapon. Screw up and You should pay for it. | |||
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