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Couldn't have said it better. We don't need any "royal" families in this country. I'll give JFK credit for fighting in WWII. He could have used his family connections to get some safe rear echelon job no doubt. Serving in PT boats was a fairly dangerous job. His older brother was killed in the Air Force. Still, I wouldn't put them on any pedestals for it and they don't get a free pass for the rest of their lives because of it to say or do whatever they want without criticism if warranted. ---------------------------------- "These things you say we will have, we already have." "That's true. I ain't promising you nothing extra." | |||
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I agree with you. I don't like the way JFK lived his personal life, and I am not a fan of the Kennedy family as whole, but I have to give our 35th President credit in these areas: -He served in WWII, as you said, and he did serve with distinction, including a daring ocean swim in order to save his crew. -He understood economics, and would be called a right winger now. He championed tax cuts, which were passed in his honor posthumously, and definitely benefited the nation's economy. -He believed in a strong national defense, again another "right wing" position in today's world. -As we celebrate the 50th anniversary of landing a man on the moon, we cannot forget JFK's speech that created this mandate and inspired a nation to achieve a seemingly impossible goal in 1962. Personally, I believe that because of his charisma and because he held the affection of the national press, he could have accomplished much if he had been able to serve his full term, and probably a second. I believe he had the right principles on domestic policy as well as international policy. . | |||
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80% of what I watch on them is about all of the horrible stuff that they endured. and I just can't watch anymore of it, other than tv re running everything , how often has any of the Kennedy's ever come up in any conversation ? Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency. Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first | |||
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I read somewhere that any very large family the size of theirs has the same law of averages sorts of things occur, the same percentages of tragedy and woe, you just don’t hear about it the way you did and do with the Kennedys. ___________________________________________________________________________ "....imitate the action of the Tiger." | |||
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So did I serve in the Army at that time. In fact my outfit was called up to board a train to Homestead AFB for the planned Cuban invasion. "Prick" or not, he was the POTUS who we were ordered to obey. ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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I beg to differ. It was not luck. It was the product of damned hard work by thousands of people, one of whom I got to know passingly well (his son and I have been friends for almost 40 years). I'm talking pilots, ground crews, photo interpreters, and the rest who brought good intel to the Executive Committee President Kennedy convened. It was also the result of several brave people, for example Vasili Arkhipov and Oleg Penkovsky taking a personal stand against blowing up the planet. Luck? Not hardly. As for the Kennedy clan? I could go happily forth never thinking about them again. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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I wouldn't say he provoked it. He unwittingly set the stage for it. His first meeting with Krushchev was a disaster. He came off as indecisive, naive and weak. Khruschev took the measure of the man and saw vulnerabilities. As for sheer luck,you need to explain that. Aside from what sig 2340 said, Krushchev got what he wanted out of the crisis. Kennedy agreed to his demand to remove our Jupiter missiles from Turkey. That effectively ended the crisis. I was in college at the time, and for a week I went to bed wondering if I'd be alive the next day. _______________________________________ NRA Life Member Member Isaac Walton League I wouldn't let anyone do to me what I've done to myself | |||
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If it's any consolation the current democratic party wouldn't have anything to do with him, too far to the right. _____________________ Be careful what you tolerate. You are teaching people how to treat you. | |||
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He started the war with a nice desk job in DC. But his relationship with Inga Arvad got him reassigned. | |||
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True, but not reassigned to PT boats. He sought that out on his own. The information I've come across claims that his father got him the desk job, but going to PT boats was against his father's wishes. I'm not going to defend his personal life or other things he did later in life, I'm just stating that he definitely stuck his neck out in the war, and I'll give him credit for that. ---------------------------------- "These things you say we will have, we already have." "That's true. I ain't promising you nothing extra." | |||
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I've read that he was reassigned to South Carolina because of the Arvad relationship(a relationship which was truly pathetic on his part). It was from South Carolina he requested combat duty at sea. Teddy was unimpressive, and I don't know about Bobby, but Joe Jr. and JFK, whatever their other shortcomings, weren't short on courage in war time. . . | |||
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Got no problems with a guy laying two ladies at the same time, the issue is: a) people deified him and could do no wrong, b) allegedly a good Catholic but his actions revealed otherwise, c) spoke about social causes for the commoner but, was entitled and an elitist, d) a part of a family enterprise that was seen as politically criminal whereas organized crime is largely material & economic. | |||
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I agree with your assessment of JFK, but would like to add one other thing that's been overlooked in your assessment: As Commander in Chief of our military and the duly elected President of the United States of America, JFK lost his life in the service of our country. Like any member of the armed forces, law enforcement, or other public safety provider, he wasn't perfect and may have had many personal reasons to enter the office he served in, but he did serve and died serving us all. His death in office was no less a tragedy than had he died while fighting in the Pacific Campaign. "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken." | |||
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now, a two hour progrma that only covers his dealings with his white house job would be welcome. but ! would it take two hours to cover his accomplishments? Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency. Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first | |||
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Watching how JFK handles press conferences is impressive. Quick and a good sense of humor. Quite the change from previous Presidents of his day. It was one thing he was really skilled at doing. | |||
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With the death of JFK Jr, they thankfully have become politically irrelevant. That idiot was a presumptive future president. I don't know if I could have dealt with that. | |||
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If that’s the case then I hate the Kennedy’s!  _____________ | |||
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The Old man asked the Mafia for help in Chicago to rig the election then as President, JFK has his brother go after the mob. How did that work out...wow I have a headache ! | |||
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I was an officer in USAF during his final years. Was on duty in a SAGE Direction Center (computer maintenance officer) when he was assassinated. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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