Well that sucks.

A major loss for America.

Roberts and Barrett shit the bed again!

OK by me if postmarked by election day and received in 5 business days. Also remember to insure a postmark has the correct date it could be handstamped. Handstamping is the only possibility of fraud.

SCOTUS just approved election fraud to continue unabated not a good ruling to maintain the sanctity of free and fair elections

Simple solution to the ruling: Ban mail-in voting. Problem solved. Legitimate absentee ballots, even those counted five days after, will not have a significant affect on outcomes.

Pass the SAVE Act.

While I don't like counting them after the election day, I'm OK with this decision.

ACB said all the law requires is that the vote take place by election day. She quite clearly said the law is silent on when the votes have to be counted and she also said that if Congress wants to impose a count-by date, they could, but the SCOTUS wasn't going to do it for them.

She strictly construed the plain language and declined to find intent when Congress can create any clean-up laws it wishes or doesn't.

^^^ Pass the SAVE Act.
Trump is pretty strong on this, but Thune is weak.

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Originally posted by Anush:
OK by me if postmarked by election day and received in 5 business days. Also remember to insure a postmark has the correct date it could be handstamped. Handstamping is the only possibility of fraud.

I’m going to plays devils advocate….

Do you believe the US citizens working in remote consulates around the globe, Mongolia for example, can guarantee mail delivery within 5 days? USPS can’t deliver mail across a state in 5 days often

For other comments like banning mail in… do these people’s votes not count?

It’s irrelevant if they would determine an election or not

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Originally posted by snwghst:

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Originally posted by Anush:
OK by me if postmarked by election day and received in 5 business days. Also remember to insure a postmark has the correct date it could be handstamped. Handstamping is the only possibility of fraud.

I’m going to plays devils advocate….

Do you believe the US citizens working in remote consulates around the globe, Mongolia for example, can guarantee mail delivery within 5 days? USPS can’t deliver mail across a state in 5 days often

For other comments like banning mail in… do these people’s votes not count?

It’s irrelevant if they would determine an election or not

Military ballots for out of country service are handled differently.

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Do you believe the US citizens working in remote consulates around the globe, Mongolia for example, can guarantee mail delivery within 5 days? USPS can’t deliver mail across a state in 5 days often

I was in Europe in 1984 and I voted absentee.
We were told to make sure they were returned early, in plenty of time to be counted on election day.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:

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Originally posted by snwghst:

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Originally posted by Anush:
OK by me if postmarked by election day and received in 5 business days. Also remember to insure a postmark has the correct date it could be handstamped. Handstamping is the only possibility of fraud.

I’m going to plays devils advocate….

Do you believe the US citizens working in remote consulates around the globe, Mongolia for example, can guarantee mail delivery within 5 days? USPS can’t deliver mail across a state in 5 days often

For other comments like banning mail in… do these people’s votes not count?

It’s irrelevant if they would determine an election or not

Military ballots for out of country service are handled differently.

SAVE Act has no provisions for non military

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Handstamping is the only possibility of fraud.

Not true. I frequently take my mail in to the Post Office to have it hand stamped. They do it in front of me so there is no issue of them not putting the right date on it later. To suggest that Postal employees would deliberately change the date on the hand canceling is ridiculous.

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Originally posted by Ogie:

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Handstamping is the only possibility of fraud.

Not true. I frequently take my mail in to the Post Office to have it hand stamped. They do it in front of me so there is no issue of them not putting the right date on it later. To suggest that Postal employees would deliberately change the date on the hand canceling is ridiculous.

Suppose a lefty postal worker backdated a stack of ballots, then introduced them into the postal system. Would this not be fraud? Suppose someone who is not even a postal worker got hold of or made a stamp to hand cancel mail, did up a stack of ballots, then added them to an unattended box on a loading dock (or added several boxes). Would this not constitute fraud?

I’m not saying that many (or necessarily any) postal workers would have to be corrupt to have there be fraud happen with hand cancelled ballots, but given how many postal employees there are and that postal employees are human, I do not consider it impossible that there could be some misbehavior by someone employed by the post office with respect to ballots.

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Originally posted by slosig:
Suppose a lefty postal worker backdated a stack of ballots, then introduced them into the postal system.

This is what they do, viz. count the ballots then decide how many fraudulent ballots they have to manufacture. Then they create that number. scotus screwed the pooch on this which I suppose was their intent.

No mail in ballots. Period. Otherwise, blue states will always cheat. Because, liberals are scum.

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scotus screwed the pooch on this which I suppose was their intent.

The intent seems to be to get the Congress to do it's job:

Finally, plaintiffs assert that requiring ballots to be received by election day protects election integrity and increases voter confidence in election results. See, e.g., Brief for Republican Respondents 46–48; accord, post, at 16–22.
As we have said time and again, however, policy arguments are properly directed to legislatures, not courts. See, e.g., SAS Institute Inc. v. Iancu, 584 U. S. 357, 368 (2018); BP
p.l.c. v. Mayor and City Council of Baltimore, 593 U. S. 230, 245 (2021). The question today is not whether requiring ballots to be received by election day is a good or bad idea; the question is whether the idea has made its way into the United States Code.

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by Ogie:

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Handstamping is the only possibility of fraud.

Not true. I frequently take my mail in to the Post Office to have it hand stamped. They do it in front of me so there is no issue of them not putting the right date on it later. To suggest that Postal employees would deliberately change the date on the hand canceling is ridiculous.

Suppose a lefty postal worker backdated a stack of ballots, then introduced them into the postal system. Would this not be fraud? Suppose someone who is not even a postal worker got hold of or made a stamp to hand cancel mail, did up a stack of ballots, then added them to an unattended box on a loading dock (or added several boxes). Would this not constitute fraud?

I’m not saying that many (or necessarily any) postal workers would have to be corrupt to have there be fraud happen with hand cancelled ballots, but given how many postal employees there are and that postal employees are human, I do not consider it impossible that there could be some misbehavior by someone employed by the post office with respect to ballots.

Yes, there are a lot of different ways for fraud to be committed but bringing your mail in to have it hand cancelled is very low on the list of possible fraud outcomes.

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Originally posted by Ogie:
Yes, there are a lot of different ways for fraud to be committed but bringing your mail in to have it hand cancelled is very low on the list of possible fraud outcomes.

We may be speaking at cross purposes. I absolutely agree that you taking your legitimate ballot in to the post office and having it hand cancelled is unlikely to pose any opportunity for fraud.*

However, if ballots can be received at any time as long as the postmark is early enough that leaves a window open for fraud, as described before, and probably other ways that haven’t yet occurred to me. While I have a very low opinion of lefties and election fraudsters (apologies for repeating myself), I don’t assume that they are all stupid, and given enough time to think about how to cheat any system, some creative ideas may well be found.

*I *never* mail my ballot, and never will. That was ruled out when I mailed a donation check at the original, in town, post office to a non profit whose office was three blocks from the PO. When asked by the friend who requested it two weeks later if I had done it, I confirmed I had, went to the non profit office, wrote another check, and asked that if the original check I had mailed ever showed up that they hold it for me and shoot me a call. Strangely enough, it was delivered exactly 30 days after I mailed it. This communist paradise has gone all mail in ballots, but I always fill mine out at home, then take it to the clerk recorders office and drop it off. Sometimes it is on Election Day, sometimes earlier. It all depends on whether I happen to be in town after completing the ballot and before Election Day.

The problem is that the lawsuit didn't address the ballot box stuffing and ballot harvesting process which is the problem in places like California.

Counting of ballots mailed prior to or on the date that the state decided is the last proper date for a valid ballot is fine as long as whats being counted are properly mailed and cancelled ballots.

What isn't fine is taking non mailed, box stuffed, un stamped collected late ballots IE Harvested ballots, that should have been what was the subject.

This is an issue for congress to fix, and that will never happen without SAVE Act being delayed and the swamp knows this..... It would mean the end of many of the members being re-elected.

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Originally posted by slosig:
Suppose a lefty postal worker backdated a stack of ballots, then introduced them into the postal system. Would this not be fraud? Suppose someone who is not even a postal worker got hold of or made a stamp to hand cancel mail, did up a stack of ballots, then added them to an unattended box on a loading dock (or added several boxes). Would this not constitute fraud?

A number of USPS whistleblowers came out in late 2020 in Michigan and Wisconsin to relay eyewitness accounts of backdating stacks of mail-in ballots, tampered with, and just tossed away by USPS workers getting paid by the Democrat Party.