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Failed Venezuelan overthrow attempt goes sideways...badly
May 07, 2020, 11:46 AM
corsairFailed Venezuelan overthrow attempt goes sideways...badly
All indications point to amateur hour by three junior ex-Special Forces soldiers and rag-tag crew of Venezuelan ex-pats, exiles and criminals; the Fyre Festival of mercenary operations as one commenter said elsewhere. Now, Maduro will use these clowns for his own PR needs.
Venezuelan authorities detain U.S. citizens allegedly involved in incursion quote:
CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan authorities have detained two U.S. citizens working with a U.S. military veteran who has claimed responsibility for a failed armed incursion into the oil producing country, President Nicolas Maduro said on Monday.
In a state television address, Maduro said authorities arrested 13 “terrorists” on Monday allegedly involved in a plot he said was coordinated with Washington to enter the South American country via the Caribbean coast and oust him.
Eight people were killed during the foiled incursion attempt on Sunday, Venezuelan authorities said.
Maduro showed what he said were the U.S. passports and other identification cards belonging to Airan Berry and Luke Denman, who he said were in custody and had been working with Jordan Goudreau, an American military veteran who leads a Florida-based security company called Silvercorp USA.
“They were playing Rambo. They were playing hero,” Maduro said, adding that Venezuelan authorities had caught wind of the plot before its execution.
Goudreau, who identified himself as an organizer of the invasion on Sunday, told Reuters on Monday that Berry and Denman were also involved.
“They’re working with me. Those are my guys,” he said by telephone.
The State Department did not provide any immediate comment on the alleged arrests. U.S. officials have strongly denied any U.S. government involvement in the incursions.
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All three of these guys were junior SFer's with little experience in larger, strategic mission planning. The head guy who organized all of it, and who's back in the US, his background is as a SF medic 18D, not even a Team Sgt. Now he gets to live with a failed mission and several of his brothers are now in a 3rd world shit hole prison to be exploited and abused.
Here’s the career info for the former Green Berets involved in Venezuela raid debacle quote:
The Army has provided service histories for three former Green Berets involved in a failed incursion into Venezuela earlier this week, an incident that’s still short on details.
The service records come the same day Venezuelan state-owned television released spliced clips from an interrogation of one of the two former Green Berets who Venezuelan authorities say was captured along with about 60 individuals from their Venezuelan irregular force.
Former Green Beret turned private security consultant Jordan Goudreau said in a video to announce the raid Sunday that he helped orchestrate the operation. He later identified his two colleagues as U.S. special forces veterans in a now deleted tweet. He did not respond to a request for comment placed at his office Wednesday.
Former Sgt. 1st Class Goudreau, 43, served on active duty as a special forces medical sergeant and indirect fire infantryman from 2001 to 2016. A LinkedIn account associated with Goudreau stated that he previously served in the Canadian Armed Forces for three years in the mid-1990s.
As a U.S. service member, he deployed to Iraq from November 2006 to April 2007 and from March 2010 to September 2010. He later deployed to Afghanistan from May 2011 to June 2011 and again from January 2014 to June 2014.
Goudreau received three Bronze Star medals, the Ranger Tab, Special Forces Tab, Combat Infantryman Badge and Parachutist Badge.
Former Sgt. Airan Berry, 41, served on active duty as a special forces engineer sergeant from 1996 to 2013. He deployed to Iraq from March 2003 to June 2003; November 2004 to June 2005; and February 2007 to March 2007.
Berry received two Bronze Star medals, the Kosovo Campaign Medal, Ranger Tab, Special Forces Tab, Combat Infantryman Badge, Expert Infantryman Badge, Parachutist Badge, the Special Operations Diver and Special Operations Diving Supervisor Badges.
May 07, 2020, 12:10 PM
saigonsmugglerit does seem like they were well decorated though.
May 07, 2020, 12:12 PM
ShaqlWow, so it doesn't go down like it does in the movies, eh?
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May 07, 2020, 12:16 PM
pulicordsLooking for action and not thinking about "Big Picture"/possible long term consequences. Sad.
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May 07, 2020, 12:43 PM
Rick LeeWhy is the US State Dept. trying to help these guys get back home, if they weren't working for the US gov't? I certainly don't expect any country to ever admit to trying to overthrow another gov't. But using official channels to help these guys screams out that the US gov't. was in on it. If the US gov't. had nothing to do with it, the ringleaders are where they belong and will have to wait things out.
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May 07, 2020, 12:46 PM
BBMWThat's not sideways. It went fully bassakwards FUBAR.
May 07, 2020, 12:47 PM
BBMWProbably because they're American.
I REALLY hope this wasn't a CIA botch job. That would be really embarrassing.
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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
Why is the US State Dept. trying to help these guys get back home, if they weren't working for the US gov't? I certainly don't expect any country to ever admit to trying to overthrow another gov't. But using official channels to help these guys screams out that the US gov't. was in on it. If the US gov't. had nothing to do with it, the ringleaders are where they belong and will have to wait things out.
May 07, 2020, 12:53 PM
craigcpa“ The Associated Press reported Wednesday that U.S. officials are in the initial stages of a federal investigation into the possibility that Goudreau violated arms trafficking rules. Citing anonymous officials, the AP reported that the investigation stems from the March 23 seizure by Colombian police of a stockpile of weapons being transported in a truck.”
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May 07, 2020, 12:57 PM
corsairquote:
Originally posted by Rick Lee:
Why is the US State Dept. trying to help these guys get back home, if they weren't working for the US gov't? I certainly don't expect any country to ever admit to trying to overthrow another gov't. But using official channels to help these guys screams out that the US gov't. was in on it. If the US gov't. had nothing to do with it, the ringleaders are where they belong and will have to wait things out.
State is likely going through the basic motions of actual intel gathering and basic diplomatic overtures; after all they are US citizens otherwise, they'll get a cursory visit from somebody within State and get told they F'd up, not much we can do. Behind the scenes they're gauging the Venezuelan response and seeing what, if any, demands are being made. The non-US folks will likely disappear, executed, and the gringos will be tortured by their Cuban interrogators to be used for Maduro's PR purposes.
May 07, 2020, 12:59 PM
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May 07, 2020, 01:08 PM
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May 07, 2020, 01:39 PM
mrvmaxThat would have been impressive if 13 guys could have taken over the country.
May 07, 2020, 01:58 PM
Sig209quote:
Originally posted by mrvmax:
That would have been impressive if 13 guys could have taken over the country.
I have been reading a bit about this.
the WaPo had a pretty decent account of what their concept was
Apparently they were trying to stand up a 300 man force of ex-Venezuelan military soldiers.
I spent time thinking about it and I think you 'could' take down Venezuela w/ 300 men.
But they would have to be the right men working in concert with a 'legitimate' opposition leader. Extensive training in night operations with satellite comms and light anti-tank capability.
Planning and execution would have to be right on the money -- no room for error. 15-20 man strike teams simultaneously taking down key nodes at 0200hrs on D-day. Intel on precisely where Maduro was on the night of the take-down would have to be 110%. Weeks of rehearsals. etc etc
Wargame the top 5-8 people / places Maduro would call in an emergency and take them down simultaneously also.
huge Psyops / social media effort to rally the opposition masses the next day.
These guys were winging it IMO. By their credentials they should have known better but there may be more to the story.
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May 07, 2020, 02:04 PM
mbinkyLooks like someone should have hired Barney Ross instead of Barney Rubble.
May 07, 2020, 02:09 PM
46and2Sure sure, acting on their own.
Whatever.
May 07, 2020, 02:11 PM
Sig2340
Venezuelan soldiers in balaclavas move a suspect from a helicopter after what Venezuelan authorities described was a 'mercenary incursion', at an unknown location in this still frame obtained from Venezuelan government TV video [Reuters] Note the rifle held by the guy on the right. I wonder if SIG SAUER AG (Switzerland) knows that their guns are protecting Maduro.
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May 07, 2020, 02:22 PM
Lord VaalicBut in the Jack Ryan show they just walked into the Presidential Palace and took him down...
Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day May 07, 2020, 02:25 PM
IntrepidTravelerI haven't finished watching the latest season of Jack Ryan yet. Thanks for the spoiler.

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corsairquote:
Originally posted by Sig209:
quote:
Originally posted by mrvmax:
That would have been impressive if 13 guys could have taken over the country.
I have been reading a bit about this.
the WaPo had a pretty decent account of what their concept was
Apparently they were trying to stand up a 300 man force of ex-Venezuelan military soldiers.
I spent time thinking about it and I think you 'could' take down Venezuela w/ 300 men.
But they would have to be the right men working in concert with a 'legitimate' opposition leader. Extensive training in night operations with satellite comms and light anti-tank capability.
Planning and execution would have to be right on the money -- no room for error. 15-20 man strike teams simultaneously taking down key nodes at 0200hrs on D-day. Intel on precisely where Maduro was on the night of the take-down would have to be 110%. Weeks of rehearsals. etc etc
Wargame the top 5-8 people / places Maduro would call in an emergency and take them down simultaneously also.
huge Psyops / social media effort to rally the opposition masses the next day.
These guys were winging it IMO. By their credentials they should have known better but there may be more to the story.
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Everything would have to work flawlessly, just like a Tom Clancy story.

What's that phrase about plans and first contact... they fall apart.
300-guys to take down a government, in a country twice the size of California, bring propped-up by Cuban intelligence services...these guys grossly under estimated their enemy. Without Cuban assistance, Venezuela would've failed years ago, in reality, Cuban intel guys were likely tracking them in Colombia where they were doing all their 'training' and mission planning. Hunting down the families of those Venezuelans wanting to participate and finding a starving family willing to rat out an uncle or, cousin for some cheese or, a hunk of meat.
At the very least, they could've gotten some shooters who served in 7th Group or, SOUTHCOM who actually have experience working in Latin American
