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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by Captain Morgan:
As far as skunked beer, Ive had it more from aluminum than bottles.

That doesn't make sense.

Beer is skunked by exposure to UV from sunlight.

Cans don't allow any sunlight exposure.

Glass does.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Hmmm. I always thought that the easiest way to skunk a beer was to let it go from cold to warm back to cold. Ie, if you bought cold beer you had to keep it cold. My anecdotal experience has backed this up. And yes I’m talking cans. I always called that skunked beer. Is there skunked beer and then another name for what I just described? If it is merely UV that skunks beer then it would be nearly impossible to skunk a can right?

From https://brew-ed.com/ashevilleb...and-is-cooled-again/

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It’s an old wives’ tale we’ve all heard. Likely you were in high school and had a friend with a car who had an older brother, and that older brother could buy beer. Everyone went to someone’s house whose parents were out of town, and the crew drank as much of this beer as they could. What was left was put into the trunk of this kid’s car. He drove around with it for a week, and the next weekend it was put into the fridge of someone else’s unsuspecting parents. Inevitably, someone who grabbed a beer that night would say, “Ah man! The beer got skunky!”. Sound familiar? It is a worldwide myth that somehow temperature cycling “skunks” beer. The truth is that temperature cycling has little to no effect on beer freshness.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:
To me, beer is MUCH better in a bottle. Cans have a plastic coating inside that affects the taste.
Glass all the way for me; it's not even close.

I have never experienced this.

What is it you are tasting?

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:
To me, beer is MUCH better in a bottle. Cans have a plastic coating inside that affects the taste.
Glass all the way for me; it's not even close.

I have never experienced this.

What is it you are tasting?

If I'm a betting man...Shitty Beer!

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Originally posted by V-Tail:
Cruising through this thread, I had a sudden thought. If beer is bad in cans, how come it's good from great big cans, like a keg?

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Hmmm. I always thought that the easiest way to skunk a beer was to let it go from cold to warm back to cold. Ie, if you bought cold beer you had to keep it cold. My anecdotal experience has backed this up. And yes I’m talking cans. I always called that skunked beer. Is there skunked beer and then another name for what I just described? If it is merely UV that skunks beer then it would be nearly impossible to skunk a can right?

From https://brew-ed.com/ashevilleb...and-is-cooled-again/

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It’s an old wives’ tale we’ve all heard. Likely you were in high school and had a friend with a car who had an older brother, and that older brother could buy beer. Everyone went to someone’s house whose parents were out of town, and the crew drank as much of this beer as they could. What was left was put into the trunk of this kid’s car. He drove around with it for a week, and the next weekend it was put into the fridge of someone else’s unsuspecting parents. Inevitably, someone who grabbed a beer that night would say, “Ah man! The beer got skunky!”. Sound familiar? It is a worldwide myth that somehow temperature cycling “skunks” beer. The truth is that temperature cycling has little to no effect on beer freshness.

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I don't believe it. I have witnessed skunky beer many times in my youth. I do think letting beer get hot after it's been refrigerated affects the taste and I don't think there's much someone could say to change my mind.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
I don't believe it. I have witnessed skunky beer many times in my youth. I do think letting beer get hot after it's been refrigerated affects the taste and I don't think there's much someone could say to change my mind.

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Temperature does affect beer. However, it is not temperature cycling that destroys beer, but exposure to warm temperatures. Beer is best preserved when kept cold… kind of like milk. A gallon of 2% will last a lot longer in your fridge than on your kitchen counter. Much the same way, keeping beer refrigerated will keep its flavor as the brewer intended for much longer. Keeping beer at room temperature can drop a beer’s shelf life from nearly six months to only a few weeks, and exposing the same beer to very warm temperatures can affect its flavor in a matter of a couple of days.

The good news? It can never make you sick. It just might not taste very good. Hop flavors and aromas will be diminished, first. Malt flavors that used to remind you of chocolate and caramel will begin to meld into a generic sickly “sweet” flavor, and in some beers reminders of wet cardboard and paper can develop. Not pleasant, but none of this will remind you of a skunk.

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Originally posted by dsiets:
The key here is Skunky, as in, smells like a skunk.
It's a result of light struck beers, generally in green bottles. The reaction is w/ hop oils and the result is an actual skunk smell.

Not a can flavor or other poor storage flavors.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
And FWIW, I actually like a little "skonky" beer, usually with lime, like Corona's

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
I don't believe it. I have witnessed skunky beer many times in my youth. I do think letting beer get hot after it's been refrigerated affects the taste and I don't think there's much someone could say to change my mind.

... Did you actually read the article I posted?

Beer getting hot does affect the taste, it just doesn't specifically cause the skunky taste/smell, which is caused by UV exposure in particular. The very next section after the one you quoted states:

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Temperature does affect beer. However, it is not temperature cycling that destroys beer, but exposure to warm temperatures. Beer is best preserved when kept cold… kind of like milk. A gallon of 2% will last a lot longer in your fridge than on your kitchen counter. Much the same way, keeping beer refrigerated will keep its flavor as the brewer intended for much longer. Keeping beer at room temperature can drop a beer’s shelf life from nearly six months to only a few weeks, and exposing the same beer to very warm temperatures can affect its flavor in a matter of a couple of days.

The good news? It can never make you sick. It just might not taste very good. Hop flavors and aromas will be diminished, first. Malt flavors that used to remind you of chocolate and caramel will begin to meld into a generic sickly “sweet” flavor, and in some beers reminders of wet cardboard and paper can develop. Not pleasant, but none of this will remind you of a skunk.

And it elaborates further from there.

I posted all this in response to pedropcola's inquiry about UV vs. temp exposure, and specifically if "skunked beer" is a specific term, or just a general term for beer that tastes bad/off as he had been using it.

You seem to likewise be using that phrase to describe any beer that tastes bad in general, including after getting hot, whereas "skunked beer" is a specific term for the phenomenon that only occurs from UV exposure's chemical transformation of iso-humulone into 3-MBT and the resulting skunk spray taste/smell. 3-MBT isn't created by temperature swings, only UV.

The article covers all this.

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Originally posted by dsiets:
The key here is Skunky, as in, smells like a skunk.
It's a result of light struck beers, generally in green bottles. The reaction is w/ hop oils and the result is an actual skunk smell.

Not a can flavor or other poor storage flavors.

Exactly.

Not all bad tasting beer tastes bad because it is "skunked".

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
And FWIW, I actually like a little "skonky" beer, usually with lime, like Corona's

Funnily enough, Corona's money-saving move of using clear bottles - which unlike green or especially brown bottles block zero UV light - and therefore basically guaranteeing their beer will be skunked is what led to the "Enjoy your Corona with a lime!" advertising move, as the lime helps mask the inevitable skunking.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by egregore:
It's funny how the otherwise very same beer tastes better from a bottle than a can.

I assume - if true - this means glass bottles. There is no reason (from their point of view) why it couldn't be put in plastic bottles. I believe this is done at sports venues (sample of one over 20 years ago) to avoid broken glass hazards, although cans would also accomplish this.

I have never seen a plastic bottle of beer. I don't think plastic can do the pressures associated with beer and its carbonation, maybe that's not the case as soda does just fine but there must be a reason.

They do make metal bottles, those are common at sporting events: