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Originally posted by Jimbo Jones:
I cant say that having a number of govt workers opt out is much of a loss, esp as these are likely not your "top performers" - sounds like culling of the herd.

Id like to see 25% of fed workers out of a job, esp DOJ, FBI, IRS...

I've posted this before, but I'll do it again. I was a consultant for Homeland Security for over 20 years. I met a bunch of employees all over the U.S.

The one that was my point of contact went with me as an escort everywhere I went. I never saw him work more than 3 hours in a given day and believe it or not, he was a ball of fire compared to the other employees I met and saw in my travels.

It seemed that 1 or 2 hours a day of work was about all that was expected of them regardless of where they worked in the U.S.

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Originally posted by PeteF:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Loswsmith:

Show me a government agency that actually works to a financial plan. Not enough money print some more. Raise taxes and decrease services.
Please tell me the last time you walked into your owners office and said "Times are for me, Give me more money, or I will put you in jail"

Working from an office/factory/shop has worked for hundreds of years. "Working from Home" has been failing for about a decade.

Certain jobs can be done from home but the vast majority are done from "the office" for a reason.

There are plenty that work within a set budget. In Washington State, all state, county, and city governments do. They cannot exceed the budget because there is no mechanism that allows them to do otherwise for general budget items, (large capital construction projects like bridges and roads which are a whole other different thing).

And I get working from an office/shop is a thing. So was using a horse to get around in the big city, right up until it wasn't.

Me personally, working remotely for court appearances works great because I can be tons more efficient. I personally work in the office because I can't get shit done at home. But when there are no court clerks anymore and things take three times to get into court files than they did in the past, well that makes huge problems that turn into huger problems over time.

[quote]Me personally, working remotely for court appearances works great because I can be tons more efficient.
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More efficient perhaps, but less effective. Jurors nod off as do Judges. The average American has trouble listening and paying attention. Courtrooms are boring places as a rule. Perhaps your legal specialty is so routine your physical presence is not necessary. IDK

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
[quote]Me personally, working remotely for court appearances works great because I can be tons more efficient.
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More efficient perhaps, but less effective. Jurors nod off as do Judges. The average American has trouble listening and paying attention. Courtrooms are boring places as a rule. Perhaps your legal specialty is so routine your physical presence is not necessary. IDK

Oh, I am just talking about pre-trial court appearances (which are 90% or so of my job).

Trials and motions are NOT something that I would do remotely, and IMO jurors HAVE TO be in court with the defendant.

But when I file X motion within the time frame for the court rules (can can prove it with time stamps) and the motion can't go on a week later because the motion and brief didn't get filed . . . and it take six weeks to set up a motion because this is routinely happening, well then more clerks need to get hired, but they can't fill the slots because all the candidates want to work from home.

ok Thank you for the clarification.

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Originally posted by Loswsmith:
Me personally...

But that's exactly where this conversation goes sideways. Many of us here on this board possess the requisite skills and are totally capable of working in a remote setting. But we are also very different than the majority of the employees being referenced in this thread. Go to DMV, or the building department, or most any government office and interact with the staff there. These are not the cream of the crop by a long shot. And given these people are being paid with our taxes, I want them in the damn office being supervised every minute of their eight hour (hopefully) work day. At least that way, we should expect at least 50% efficiency out of them.