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Remember, politics is almost entirely about getting re-elected, and only about something else by accident or coincidence.

That's very cynical, jhe. Not far off the truth, but very cynical. Big Grin

They will divide up the spoils until there are no more spoils to divide and the country collapses under the weight of the debt.
Until then... party on.



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This should have all been worked out behind the scenes, doing this in front of the press lets them know they can bully McCarthy moving forward and who they need to smear first on the R side, Bobert, Roy, Gaetz.

A unified front on the R side would have had tactical advantages that are lost now.


Slowly pulls out Reynolds Wrap, folds into a nice hat, slides in on, begins to post.....

Possible that we are watching is an orchestrated effort to put another wedge into the more conservative representatives and remove them from any position of power in the eyes of the public.

Look see those mean MAGA right wingers, can't come together with everyone of us on a simple SOTH vote, they are the problem...

Won't be surprised if it was worked out with the Dems who want Trump, MAGA and all far right crushed in advance.

Or perhaps not... it's in chapter 4 of my book...



 
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Today was just another day of politics. I have no doubt that McCarthy will eventually be the SOTH but he'll have to give some concessions.

I'm sure all the important factions talked behind the scenes but in the end, McCarthy wants his power and doesn't want it diluted. The opposition knows that unless they get concessions before he's elected, they'll be left off committees or be punished by being moved to smaller offices.

It's politics. Sometimes it's messy when we see it in public.
 
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most republicans in politics aren't real republicans, they're right of center democrats that know they wouldn't get elected as a D so they put an R in front of their name

content of character is meaningless to a politician - its how they became a politician in the first place

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I have no problem with what these hold-outs are doing. This is exactly what we elected them to do.

McCarthy is a slimeball.


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As Matt Gaetz said, “If you want to drain the swamp, you cannot put the biggest alligator in charge of the exercise.”


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I have no problem with what these hold-outs are doing. This is exactly what we elected them to do.

McCarthy is a slimeball.


Dude rents/shares his apartment from democrat pollster Frank Luntz… swampy a f





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I agree with Gaetz. I'd like someone who doesn't want the job. McCarthy wants the title and the power...nothing more. He has no interest in doing what's needed to save this nation.

And, I'd like that smug asshole Eyepatch McCain to go away. Hopefully you folks down in TX can give him a new job.


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They've had a 3rd round of voting now. Looks like most of the Rs voted Jim Jordon. Is this just a protest vote or will Jordon be put in the job? What to make of this?
 
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Saw spot on FOX with Chip Roy (R-Texas) as to his resistance to McCarthy. He believes McCarthy is to much a part of the swamp establishment.
Seems, listening to Roy, as though McCarthy has given into the Democrats too much in his role of Minority Leader.
Makes a lot of sense to me.

There are ways that McCarthy could have slowed down the bill long before it reached the floor but he didn’t, why wait until days before the senate vote to publicly speak out against the omnibus bill.

Above was said there is nothing we could do, well I contacted my representative who voted for McCarthy three times and let him know via phone message and written correspondence what I thought of his vote and why.


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Today was just another day of politics. I have no doubt that McCarthy will eventually be the SOTH but he'll have to give some concessions.

I'm sure all the important factions talked behind the scenes but in the end, McCarthy wants his power and doesn't want it diluted. The opposition knows that unless they get concessions before he's elected, they'll be left off committees or be punished by being moved to smaller offices.

It's politics. Sometimes it's messy when we see it in public.
If the Republicans don't work something out soon, we'll end up with a Democrat as Speaker. The Democrats are a solid black for their leader, and that is not going to change. The last time multiple votes for Speaker were required, eventually they made a resolution that after the next vote the person with the plurality (most votes) would be Speaker. Right now, that would be the Democrat, and that would be catastrophic.

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Today was just another day of politics. I have no doubt that McCarthy will eventually be the SOTH but he'll have to give some concessions.

I'm sure all the important factions talked behind the scenes but in the end, McCarthy wants his power and doesn't want it diluted. The opposition knows that unless they get concessions before he's elected, they'll be left off committees or be punished by being moved to smaller offices.

It's politics. Sometimes it's messy when we see it in public.
If the Republicans don't work something out soon, we'll end up with a Democrat as Speaker. The Democrats are a solid black for their leader, and that is not going to change. The last time multiple votes for Speaker were required, eventually they made a resolution that after the next vote the person with the plurality (most votes) would be Speaker. Right now, that would be the Democrat, and that would be catastrophic.

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When was that? I would be interested what you have.

This was what I found.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...publican/ar-AA15VRvM

While all eyes in Washington, D.C., were on Republican Representative Kevin McCarthy’s work Tuesday to shore up support in his bid to be elected House speaker, it’s worth noting that the high-stakes battle has a historical precedent — with a Massachusetts connection.

U.S. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) (C) talked to a colleague as Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) worked behind him, as the House of Representatives casted their votes for Speaker of the House, on the first day of the 118th Congress in the House Chamber of the U.S. Capitol Building.
U.S. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) (C) talked to a colleague as Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) worked behind him, as the House of Representatives casted their votes for Speaker of the House, on the first day of the 118th Congress in the House Chamber of the U.S. Capitol Building.
© Win McNamee

The last time a vote for speaker went to multiple ballots was in 1923, when a bloc of Republicans refused to reelect Representative Frederick Huntington Gillett, a patrician Massachusetts Republican, according to the US House archives.

Gillett didn’t emerge victorious until the ninth ballot, with a tally of 215 votes that was the lowest total of any speaker since the House reached its modern size, according to the Washington Post.

Gillett, a Westfield native, served in the House of Representatives from 1893 to 1925 and in the US Senate from 1925 until 1931, according to the House archives.

During the speaker’s battle in 1923, a group of progressive Republicans forced Gillett to endure nine floor votes before he was declared the victor, Garrison Nelson, an emeritus professor of of law, politics, and political behavior at the University of Vermont, wrote in a Globe opinion piece in 2018.

On the first ballot, Nelson wrote, fellow Republicans cast 197 votes for Gillett; 17 votes for Henry Cooper of Wisconsin; 5 votes for Martin Madden of Illinois; with 4 voting present, denying Gillett the 210 votes of the 418 present members he needed for victory. Opposition remained steady until the ninth ballot, when all 17 of Cooper’s voters and 3 of Madden’s gave Gillett a 215-197 victory, according to Nelson.

Gillett, who served as an assistant attorney general in Massachusetts and as a state representative before his tenure in Congress, died in 1935 in Springfield,


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It's kind of hard to see this as a mistake or a clever move to isolate the more honest Republicans in the House.

This has been building for a while in both the House and the Senate. This follows an election where Republicans elected to the House tended to be more pro-Trump and anti-Establishment. This is happening during a Congress where the Republicans have a mere nine-vote majority, and can lose a vote if they lose as few as five Republican votes. All of those factors together suggest to me that this confrontation was always going to happen and that the pro-Establishment Republicans and Democrats were always going to react to it in one way or another.

Even if the forces of darkness were plotting to isolate them and (they hope) render them politically irrelevant, this confrontation was, IMHO, always going to occur simply because there was always going to be a day when the votes for or against Buisness As Usual were going to have to be counted up.

I've argued before that Biden is a particularly weak excuse for an effective President because half of the country thinks he "won" a rigged election. (I could make the same prediction for Hobbs in Arizona, but that's beside the point and I'm still waiting to see where Lake's appeal goes anyway.) If McCarthy wins, his actual powers as Speaker of the House are going to be defined very quickly. With the small majority of Republicans he's actually got, he has to (as he clearly has been) negotiate his ass off. If that happens then I guess we'll see how well the Republicans on the other side play their collective hand.

Of course if McCarthy doesn't win, then someone else is going to get to herd all those cats, 'cause every last one of them will still be right there on the floor of the House.
 
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The last time multiple votes for Speaker were required, eventually they made a resolution that after the next vote the person with the plurality (most votes) would be Speaker.

Not going to happen.
Who are the 6 Republicans that would vote for such a resolution?

The McRino's need to go.

With 3 votes down for McCarthy let's hope he takes the gentleman's way out and decline from tomorrows nominations.

General Washington did not want to become President, yet he served us well.
I see Rep. Jim Jordan as similar, best suited for the job, as he is qualified yet not wanting it.

Time to drain the swamp.
If not now then when?



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All dog and pony show. In the end, McCarthy will be Speaker.


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All dog and pony show. In the end, McCarthy will be Speaker.

Sadly I believe you’re right. The R’s will line up behind Squishy McSquishy and it will be business as usual…meaning WE get screwed!


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probably but I'm going to be the fool who says it's different this time. McCarthy proclaimed before the 1st vote that any gop who voted against him would be stripped of committee assignments.

That puts the 20 in no mans land so they may as well play the hand. KM is a known liar so he may offer dem level graft to get enough of the 20 to change votes. Could possibly get dems to cross the aisle, too. Tomorrow will be interesting. My choice is Thomas Massie so you can forget him. Wink


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Phyllis Schlafly (Eagle Forum) nailed it when in the 90's she said that there is NO difference between democrats and republicans. They are both racing America off the cliff. The democrats are driving the vehicle at 70 mph, while the republicans are driving us at 55 mph. We are STILL GOING OVER THE CLIff.

The GOP is perfectly happy with the results.


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A few on Twitter seem to think McCarthy is looking to get 11 Democrats to vote present which would lower the 218 threshold.

If McCarthy were to achieve the Speakership with help of Democrats, you can be assured he made promises.



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That sounds very swampish. Make promises to Dems to get votes, when he wouldn't make promises to Conservatives.


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