This will be an interesting case to watch.
A former San Francisco official got so tired of the homeless mess by his elderly mothers home with no law enforcement response, he took matters into his own hands by pepper/bear spraying the urban outdoorsman.

Outdoorsman decides to strike back after a delay with a length of metal pipe to the former officials head (victim).
Since the victim couldn't testify immediately (although there is plenty of video of the attack), the court has released the attacker, while awaiting further proceedings.

This appears to not be a legal self-defense response by the outdoorsman. The pepper spray was not deadly force, there was a delay in his response, and he had to find the victim and chased him down to apply the pipe to his head.

The real story here, I suspect to be repeated, is that when law and order breaks down, even otherwise peaceful people will start to take matters into their own hands.

Should be interesting to see if and how the liberal courts handle this one and the uneducated media explain the law.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/27...ear-spray/index.html

Man there is a lot to unpack there.

I can see how someone would get upset if homeless people appeared at their parents house and were doing all sorts of illegal things and police were unresponsive. Bear spray seems a little extreme and crosses a line legally. Then again if the police aren't coming... or is it subjective law enforcement?

I don't think the homeless guy has a self defense argument. He sought a weapon, practiced with it, then searched for his attacker. No timeline but if he was bear sprayed, I imagine it would take some time to recover.

What a mess that state has become.

Yes, at most OC spray would be simple assault in most places.
Even if the official had threatened him with a firearm or other deadly weapon but then left the scene, chasing him down later and attacking him with the pipe would be aggravated assault or attempted murder in most places.
In San Francisco it apparently results in you being let out on the promise to appear later, if the victim is injured and can't immediately testify.
So what's that say to an easily offended homeless person?

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
So what's that say to an easily offended homeless person?

"Do whatever the fuck you want, then move on to the next camp down the street."

The reality in much of America now, we can't protect you, we won't do anything about the people who harm you, but if you defend yourself, we will arrest you.

A business owner in San Francisco was charged with battery for spraying a homeless person with a garden hose back in January.

Here is a link to the story.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/san...viral-video-arrested

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Originally posted by cas:
The reality in much of America now, we can't protect you, we won't do anything about the people who harm you, but if you defend yourself, we will arrest you.

Not in free America. In WV, you’re likely to get thanked by LEO’s.

The lesson I'm getting here is that, left to their own devices, the "lawlessness and disorder are good" crowd will end up destroying themselves without the assistance of the sane majority.
So it won't last forever. Hopefully, the collateral damage will be minimal.

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The lesson I'm getting here is that, left to their own devices, the "lawlessness and disorder are good" crowd will end up destroying themselves without the assistance of the sane majority.

Don't the left espouse equality? Share the wealth, share the suffering. Anything inflicted upon normal, good citizens should be returned in kind to the authorities and politicians who enabled it.

So, in this case, which authority and/or politician is due a pipe to the head?

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Originally posted by konata88:

Don't the left espouse equality? Share the wealth, share the suffering. Anything inflicted upon normal, good citizens should be returned in kind to the authorities and politicians who enabled it.

So, in this case, which authority and/or politician is due a pipe to the head?

I feel like there is a Paul Pelosi joke in there somewhere, but I think he has probably suffered enough without some rando on the internet like me taking cheap shots at him.

- Bret

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Originally posted by cas:
The reality in much of America now, we can't protect you, we won't do anything about the people who harm you, but if you defend yourself, we will arrest you.

You should spend some time on youtube watching Florida Sheriffs press conference videos.

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Originally posted by SpinZone:

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Originally posted by cas:
The reality in much of America now, we can't protect you, we won't do anything about the people who harm you, but if you defend yourself, we will arrest you.

You should spend some time on youtube watching Florida Sheriffs press conference videos.

Smiles in Polk County's Grady Judd.

You're talking about ever shrinking islands in a vast and growing sea.

Guess the bear spray didn't work.

Maybe a more effective approach would have been to release skunks in the homeless camp or stir up some wasps.....it's like organic gardening but with aminals.

Raising pollinators near homeless encampments sounds like an excellent idea. Maybe flies as well.

Truthfully, we're going to have to go back to the idea of "taxpayers" have rights, and the rest are expected to stay out of sight.

It's cruel - and the real travesty was the blind eye law enforcement turned to the lowest classes - but homeless shouldn't be viewed as having any right to interfere with anyone.

I mean if you’re gonna fuck with a homeless dude while he’s down what the hell do you expect him to do? You to start shit with somebody who’s likely bat shit crazy and literally has nothing left to lose I’d say you shouldn’t be surprised when you get a pipe to the head. I’m not rooting for the bum, in this case they are both assholes but I say chalk it up to betcha he won’t do that again and let it be

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Originally posted by limblessbiff:
I mean if you’re gonna fuck with a homeless dude while he’s down what the hell do you expect him to do? You to start shit with somebody who’s likely bat shit crazy and literally has nothing left to lose I’d say you shouldn’t be surprised when you get a pipe to the head. I’m not rooting for the bum, in this case they are both assholes but I say chalk it up to betcha he won’t do that again and let it be

Sigh, you’re not wrong.
At the same time, in many places in Kommiefornia at least, the mantra from city council or county supervisors is “Hands off the homeless.” It doesn’t matter what they do, how they abuse you, your property, or your family. They are a protected species. They are not held to the standards of behavior that you *will* be held to. The only practical answer seems to be to avoid them.

If they are having a hugely negative impact on you, your family, or what you have spent a significant portion of your life building, that may not be an easy answer to chose.

There is a reason why folks are fleeing the asylum for Texas, Florida, and other states that are significantly saner than Kommiefornia.

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Originally posted by limblessbiff:
I mean if you’re gonna fuck with a homeless dude while he’s down what the hell do you expect him to do? You to start shit with somebody who’s likely bat shit crazy and literally has nothing left to lose I’d say you shouldn’t be surprised when you get a pipe to the head. I’m not rooting for the bum, in this case they are both assholes but I say chalk it up to betcha he won’t do that again and let it be

Yeah, I don't know about that. In California the homeless kinda rely on people being afraid of them to camp or shit wherever they want and to panhandle from whoever they want. Seriously, SF has loooong been famous for aggressive - not to say violent - panhandlers planting themselves in front of anyone walking down a public sidewalk and demanding money.

Maybe the better solution for the average citizen is to simply NOT concede that all homeless are violent and crazy, and therefore cannot be said "no" to.

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:

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Originally posted by limblessbiff:
I mean if you’re gonna fuck with a homeless dude while he’s down what the hell do you expect him to do? You to start shit with somebody who’s likely bat shit crazy and literally has nothing left to lose I’d say you shouldn’t be surprised when you get a pipe to the head. I’m not rooting for the bum, in this case they are both assholes but I say chalk it up to betcha he won’t do that again and let it be

Yeah, I don't know about that. In California the homeless kinda rely on people being afraid of them to camp or shit wherever they want and to panhandle from whoever they want. Seriously, SF has loooong been famous for aggressive - not to say violent - panhandlers planting themselves in front of anyone walking down a public sidewalk and demanding money.

Maybe the better solution for the average citizen is to simply NOT concede that all homeless are violent and crazy, and therefore cannot be said "no" to.

You are absolutely right of course. All of us, whatever our situation, gender, sex, identity, race, etc should all be held to the same standard. If someone steps out of line, they should be called on it without fear or favor. That may be what happens in Free America. That is not what happens in certain Commie Utopias.

In many cases it isn’t the homeless average citizens are afraid of, it is their government’s response to their defending themselves or their property that gives them pause. I’ve had good results with being alert and aware, acknowledging folks but giving “not interested” signals, and giving a clear direct, “No.” when asked for anything. I also don’t insert myself in their business, comment on their lifestyle, or interact with them by choice. If I can avoid having to deal with them I do. If I can’t, I understand that the government will not be my friend.