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What if your boy Sam starts thinking he's Suzie, and we have schools full of psychologists that not only encourage that behavior, but will also not share that information with you.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:

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Originally posted by jljones:
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Please do elaborate then...

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You must be watching CNN

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Originally posted by Loswsmith:
So I am a Washington attorney so please take this with a grain of salt, but this is, i believe, what the state needs proved:

M Crim JI 16.13 Involuntary Manslaughter-Failure to Perform Legal Duty

(1)​The defendant is charged with the crime of involuntary manslaughter resulting from a failure to perform a legal duty. To prove this charge, the prosecutor must prove each of the following elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

(2)​First, that the defendant had a legal duty to [name deceased]. The legal duty charged here is [state legal duty]. [A legal duty is one imposed by law or contract.]

(3)​Second, that the defendant knew of the facts that gave rise to the duty.

(4)​Third, that the defendant willfully neglected or refused to perform that duty and [his / her] failure to perform it was grossly negligent to human life.

(5)​Fourth, that the death of [name deceased] was directly caused by defendant’s failure to perform this duty, that is, that [name deceased] died as a result of [state act or omission causing death].

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
'Involuntary Manslaughter' IS the crime of killing someone, NOT enabling it! Involuntary Manslaughter occurs when an 'individual' kills another person without intent, or unintentionally.

That isn’t close to correct.

Please do elaborate then...

Most of what's easily found re: Involuntary Manslaughter under Michigan Law refers to the Penal Code and is specific to the penalty, not the definition of the crime. I did find this regarding 'Michigan Model Jury Instructions' in cases where the defendant is charged w/ Involuntary Manslaughter:

M Crim JI 16.10 Involuntary Manslaughter

(1)​[The defendant is charged with the crime of _______________________/ You may also consider the lesser charge of] involuntary manslaughter. To prove this charge, the prosecutor must prove each of the following elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

(2)​First, that the defendant caused the death of [name deceased], that is, that [name deceased] died as a result of [state alleged act causing death].

[Use (3) when gross negligence is alleged:]

(3)​Second, in doing the act that caused [name deceased]’s death, the defendant acted in a grossly negligent manner.1

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
I was watching a report on this particular incident and I actually agree with what the school did in theory, although they botched it in practice. The school counselor believed that the shooter was suicidal not homicidal. When mom refused to immediately take him to a professional, the counselor believed sending him home to be alone would be a bad idea. Figuring that they could prevent him from hurting himself if he was in school the counselor elected to send him back to class.

Where they made a huge mistake was not searching his belongings. Didn't matter if they were sending him home or keeping him at school. If they had enough to suspect he was going to hurt himself he should have been searched immediately.

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the police should have been called.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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the police should have been called.

The police should be called for all sorts of reasons, but schools generally avoid doing so unless they have no other choice.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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the police should have been called.

The police should be called for all sorts of reasons, but schools generally avoid doing so unless they have no other choice. Our local police department has told the parents to go ahead and file assault reports directly with the department as the schools never report them. We even had a school resource officer relieved of duty for not taking a report from a parent. The school told him not to, and he believed the school was his employer......

Many schools and districts have officers in the schools. I haven't heard if there was an officer at this particular school. Does anybody know? Were they involved?

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Seem to recall a thread here where it was discussed that many schools won't report these type of situations in order to reduce the total number of reports in a district, either for funding purposes or to hide the real problem numbers and make the district look better. Be interesting to know if the district has discouraged leo contact for that purpos

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The 2014 policy urged schools not to suspend, expel or report students to police except as a last resort. Instead, it promoted “restorative” discipline measures that don’t remove students from the classroom. President Barack Obama’s administration issued the guidance after finding that black students across the U.S. were more than three times as likely to be disciplined as their white peers.

The policy also warned that schools could face federal investigations if their statistics showed a “disparate impact” for certain races. Schools that disciplined certain races at disproportionate rates, for example, could be found in violation of federal law even if it wasn’t through intentional discrimination.

Critics said the policy overstepped federal authority and left schools afraid to take action against potentially violent students. The question came to the fore in the wake of the Parkland shooting, when some conservatives suggested the guidance might have deterred school officials from telling police about the suspected shooter’s behavioral problems.

In a report that made dozens of recommendations for America’s schools on Tuesday, the safety commission sided with critics, arguing that the policy was well-intentioned but “may have paradoxically contributed to making schools less safe.”

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Seem to recall a thread here where it was discussed that many schools won't report these type of situations in order to reduce the total number of reports in a district, either for funding purposes or to hide the real problem numbers and make the district look better. Be interesting to know if the district has discouraged leo contact for that purpose.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
You can make anything about guns if you want. The comments from the jurors were not about gun control.