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Originally posted by magicmedic:
Brandon Marshall, who plays for the Jets, and is a talking head on Showtimes "Inside the NFL" spoke about this very subject on the air.

He said something to the effect of: "The NFL needs to think long and hard before they send a lot of young players through Las Vegas every year. That's all I'm gonna say"

I don't know if it had to to with players partying, gambling, or worse organized crime and access to players partying and gambling, but being a young player himself, who has conveyed a respect for the game while broadcasting, I found his comment somewhat ominous.

I think that's an overly dramatic statement. Any of these guys make enough money to fly to Vegas whenever they feel like it if they feel like it. There are similar temptations almost everywhere (in Baltimore now there are three casinos within an hour of each other.) Being young and rich in Vegas isn't incredibly different from being young and rich in any major city.

I have been a life-long Raiders fan and would make the drive to Vegas to see them play just once so I can say I was there

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Welfare for Billionaires. Only one owner voted against it:

Places like Jacksonville, Charlotte, Baltimore or Tampa Bay – where NFL stadiums are either approaching the 20-year-old mark or have already exceeded it –have to be aware that something is coming in the next decade. Either expensive renovations or maybe even a new stadium altogether, like the Atlanta Falcons.

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/...ities-003249608.html

Baltimore Ravens aren't going anywhere. Not only have they been dishing out millions and millions for upgrades, but that city knows what it feels like to lose a team due to stadium contracts. Not happening again.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
I have been a life-long Raiders fan and would make the drive to Vegas to see them play just once so I can say I was there

There are a lot of reasons the Raiders in Vegas are a good move and yours is one of the biggest. Eight times a year fans of the opposing teams will be jumping on planes flying to Vegas to watch a game. Just like fans of cold weather teams take over Miami for games against the Dolphins.

I've never been a Raiders fan, but I'll definitely become one and support the home team when they finally come here in 2020. So excited!

Go, Chargers, Go!

And take the Padres with ya!

^^^^

back to yer old fighting shape

Economic benefits of NFL stadium boom are 'vastly overblown'



Perhaps you saw the many mocking social media posts last weekend pointing out the rows and rows of empty seats at the LA Rams and LA Chargers games in Week 2 of the NFL season. Both teams are playing in temporary homes — the Rams in LA Coliseum, a college stadium, and the Chargers in StubHub Center in Carson, Calif., a soccer stadium — until they move into LA Stadium at Hollywood Park, projected to open up in 2020 and cost $2.6 billion.

The Chargers got 25,381 fans at a stadium that holds 27,000, while the Rams only attracted 56,612 to a stadium that holds more than 90,000. As many stories pointed out, the two NFL games combined had a smaller in-person audience than the USC vs. Texas college football game Saturday night at the Coliseum, attended by 85,000 people. (The empty NFL seats were “not a great look,” the AP wrote.)

The reasonable conclusion from the low turnout might be that LA doesn’t have enough NFL fans to support two new teams. And that, in turn, may look like a reminder of how outrageous the trend is of teams relocating and building $2 billion-plus stadiums, and, often, obtaining public money to help build them.

But it doesn’t really matter if the new LA stadium doesn’t fill up for games. The pricey stadium trend is likely to continue, because cities — which consist of local construction companies to trade unions to bank branches to architecture firms to hotels — see appeal in having an NFL team and stadium.
“Not a very good economic proposition”

It’s also about enhancing the culture and image of the city, says Andrew Zimbalist, a sports economist at Smith College in Massachusetts, and author of a wide range of books that strip back the financial impact of sports arenas and major events like the World Cup and Olympics.

“The main reason you want the stadium is because you want the team, and the main reason you want the team is because in United States culture these days, football is particularly prominent,” says Zimbalist. “What a sports team does is provide some coherence to a city’s culture. It provides a common thread that helps people in the community relate to each other. It enhances the city’s identity. People now have a way to relate to each other… A large percentage of the people in the community are experiencing the football team. That’s a very important function of the culture, to me. Now, some people might argue that, ‘Gee, it’s too bad, we need other kinds of culture instead of football culture.'”

Cities want a new NFL team even though the popular claim teams make when they relocate — that the team and stadium will have a positive economic impact on the local economy — is usually “vastly overblown,” Zimbalist says. That’s because the majority of the money that gets spent at and around the stadium is spent by local residents who would be spending their money in the area anyway. As for the players, they are generally unlikely to live in the local community, so they’re not infusing the area near the stadium with any new money.

And the typical NFL stadium, with some exceptions, “is going to be used 10-15 times a year out of 365 days. The rest of the year it’s going to be sitting idle… It’s not a very good economic proposition.”

And yet, cities keep welcoming new teams. In March, the Oakland Raiders got NFL approval to move to Las Vegas, and team owner Mark Davis plans a $1.9 billion stadium. $750 million of that cost will come from a public subsidy already approved by the local Clark County government in Las Vegas. (The San Diego Union-Tribune called it, “peak public stadium financing.”) If the economic impact will be minimal, why grant public money?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news...blown-131446171.html

the Packers use their space (not the field) all year.

Corporate meetings, tours, wedding receptions etc to keep some cash flow going and community connections.

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the Packers use their space (not the field) all year.

The Packers are different than every other team. They are actually owned by and rooted in the community that they truly do represent.
Every other team in the NFL is subject to a better deal from another city.

at least the players/coaches/staff etc won't have to worry about being on EPCN News or whatever for weed busts.

it's always 420 in Vegas.

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Originally posted by ChuckFinley:
the Packers use their space (not the field) all year.

Corporate meetings, tours, wedding receptions etc to keep some cash flow going and community connections.

This.

Any facility not planning on a heavy dose of alternative usage is smoking something.

Soccer, college bowl / neutral site games, concerts, monster truck shows, BMX / motocross, X-games, whatever.

Throw in shopping and restaurants and the property is much more than a huge stadium in the middle of nowhere>

The Raiders new home in Las Vegas is like 3 minutes from the Strip. I would think they will get a 'tram' connection constructed.

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Young millionaire athletes spend plenty of time in Vegas and various night clubs and other similar activities and distractions as it is. I've seen in many, many times in person, from Vegas itself to spots in Phoenix and New York and throughout the South, all around, really.

Most nights after any local game that day all of the swanky and otherwise hot spots of the moment, clubs, restaurants, etc., are littered with players, NBA, NFL, all of them, a few, a dozen or more, entire VIP sections, I've long lost count of how many I've seen out partying.

Having one of the NFL teams based there in Vegas and the extra distractions that offers is nothing particularly new. Maybe a little more convenient for the few that live there, but there are casinos all over the country nowadays and distractions aren't limited to Vegas.

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Originally posted by magicmedic:
Brandon Marshall, who plays for the Jets, and is a talking head on Showtimes "Inside the NFL" spoke about this very subject on the air.

He said something to the effect of: "The NFL needs to think long and hard before they send a lot of young players through Las Vegas every year. That's all I'm gonna say"

I don't know if it had to to with players partying, gambling, or worse organized crime and access to players partying and gambling, but being a young player himself, who has conveyed a respect for the game while broadcasting, I found his comment somewhat ominous.

I don't think the young players can find all the trouble they can handle in any big city - New York, LA, San Francisco, Houston, Chicago. Las Vegas isn't that much different. Now, if every team were in a city like Green Bay . . .

While the author offers no proof that the economics aren't there, I'm sure everyone agrees anecdotally.

This is one of the many reasons Buffalo doesn't want to build, or isn't excited by the prospect of building, a new stadium. Other reasons include that Buffalo isn't exactly a "rich" city. Sure, there's money there of course, but it's pretty much a blue collar community. Or it was when I grew up there in the 70s & 80s. Don't thing too much has changed since then...

The San Francisco 49ers Thursday night game against the Los Angeles Rams kicked off in front of a nearly empty stadium.

Los Angeles Times reporter Lindsey Thiry tweeted a photo at the time of kickoff, which showed thousands of open seats. In fact, most sections in the photo have more empty seats than fans.


Thursday night football. Time for kickoff.



http://dailycaller.com/2017/09...sday-night-football/

yep...what a great photo

alienate 50% of the population with your players pretending to be something they're not

and piss off the people that have enough disposal income to go see what used to be entertainment

reap it

After those few stalwart fans showed up and saw the outlandish uniforms the Lambs were decked out in, and to a lesser extent the 49ers as well, it is amazing so many stayed.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Thursday night football. Time for kickoff.



http://dailycaller.com/2017/09...sday-night-football/

20% at most? And the Bay Area isn't hurting financially either. Where are the high tech dollars?

Yeah that was interesting to see last night - of course on the TV they try to keep the angles so you can't see the empty stands (maybe they hired the cameramen from last years College Bowls, they had lots of practice for 95% of the games), but they can't do it forever and eventually you see pretty much nobody is there.

At first I thought is was at the Rams, figuring that LA would have no crowd - but it was in SF, and even though the Niners have sucked donkey ballz for the last, well, forever - I guessed that more people would be there from Liberal Hippy SF.