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I wouldn't assume that taxes and other expenses employers are required to pay on behalf of employees (unemployment, SS, etc.) would necessarily be returned to employees if they were eliminated. It's just as likely they would be returned to shareholders in the form of increased profits and dividends, or reinvested in the business. | |||
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Honky Lips |
5181*12=62172 62172*2=124344 you're right it is a bunch of crap, we're shorting the truth by $4344. _____________________________________________ Proverbs 3:31 "Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways." | |||
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Down the Rabbit Hole |
You could totally eliminate SS and the criminals running this country would still find ways to spend/steal every penny and much much more. Just take a gander at the abuse that took place with the record setting 2.3 trillion dollar spending package contained in the Consolidated Appropriations Act. Most of this money went to big corporations and we're still paying the price with record inflation. SS is not the problem. Crony Capitalism is, period. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
So the business of business is business! Who knew? But I don’t think that’s a bad thing… I think we need less government interference in our lives and choices. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
Bingo! It’s like someone on the Titanic as it’s sinking, complaining about the boomers eating at the buffet table. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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| Honky Lips |
Well, in that case lets just all sit on our hands, roll over, and die. _____________________________________________ Proverbs 3:31 "Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways." | |||
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| Down the Rabbit Hole |
I would rather see your passion for a balanced budget directed towards the Corporate Welfare crowd first before going after a lot of hard working Americans who were forced to pay into SS their entire working life. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
Maybe the GenX, Millennials should just sit back and wait, all us "Boomers" are set to leave your generation with more wealth than ever before. Keep pissing on our SS payments and we'll give it all to a registered charity, all we need is a Pint a day....... Pay your rent, you'll be mega wealthy from all our hard work and effort, or maybe not, if you fuck with SSI....  Link Gen X and Millennials Will Inherit Trillions in Real Estate Over the Next Decade Baby boomers and older Americans have spent decades amassing one of the largest concentrations of private wealth in history. Now, that wealth is starting to be passed down to the next generation—and it’s having a ripple effect across the high-end property market. Over the next decade, roughly 1.2 million individuals with net worths of $5 million or more are projected to pass down more than $38 trillion globally, according to a new report from brokerage Coldwell Banker Global Luxury reviewed exclusively by The Wall Street Journal..... | |||
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| Honky Lips |
Allow me to assuage your concern, I'm of the opinion any dollars spent on any function not laid out specifically in the constitution is illegitimate. What's more I agree with the founders who found the government to be suspect in it's existence at all are correct. _____________________________________________ Proverbs 3:31 "Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways." | |||
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| Honky Lips |
That number assumes there will be demand for those houses. If people can't have children, which they aren't of you bother to look at the demographics, the aggregate demand will plummet. If you want to see what will happen, not due to any depressed economic factors, but simply because we have significantly fewer human beings look at Detroit real estate. _____________________________________________ Proverbs 3:31 "Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways." | |||
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| His Royal Hiney |
If you're going to point to where the problem is not, then, yes, you might as well sit on your hands because coming up with solutions to fix something that really isn't the problem isn't going to solve the actual problem. Do you not see that? "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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| Honky Lips |
What's your solution to a fire, Rey? _____________________________________________ Proverbs 3:31 "Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways." | |||
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| Imagination and focus become reality |
You first. | |||
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| His Royal Hiney |
Just because I don’t have a solution to the problem doesn’t mean the solution you’re proposing is correct. You may be wanting to blow up the dam downstream of the fire to try to put the fire out. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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I view SS as mandated savings. Looking from the perspective of a business owner, my contribution, much like Unemployment Insurance, is simply a cost of doing business. My Father-in-law, a WWII B17 pilot, left the service and managed the family business in landscaping. He is very locally known for his statement: “If it was not for taxes and insurance, one could make a good living.” In over 20 years of employing people, my contribution to their SS has been well over $3MM plus another chunk for Medicare. In my business, medical laboratory, you must hire the best qualified people for the different positions. Our product, diagnostic laboratory results, depends on everything being done correctly and on time: couriers, specimen processors, transporters and clinical technologists require the top end of pay scales. While I don’t agree with the method, I do agree that required savings for retirement needs to be mandatory. Humans tend to ignore savings and provide for current wants and needs. Without a savings mandate… well, all gets spent - human nature. For discussion - purchasing power of a dollar is vastly different than when I began work as a soda jerk in a drugstore in 1958 by a factor of 11! In calculating SS, the dollar value due to inflation isn’t considered - should it be? Finally, if not SS as mandated savings, please propose alternative systems… No quarter .308/.223 | |||
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| Honky Lips |
_____________________________________________ Proverbs 3:31 "Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways." | |||
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| His Royal Hiney |
That’s a nice quote from Sowell. Do you have a point regarding me? Did you see me ask anywhere, “what do you replace the fire with? Do you even actually understand the quote? Because you trying to apply it to our back and forth indicates to me you don’t because it actually doesn’t apply to our conversation. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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| No More Mr. Nice Guy |
I don't like mandatory things imposed by the government. But, the least offensive would be a mandatory privately held retirement account, e.g. 401k. One of my daughters worked in the restaurant industry for a decade managing a variety of locations. One of the companies instituted an automatic 401k for new employees, with an initial employee contribution of something like 2% or 5%, and the company matched. The employee could opt-out, but if they did nothing then the account was established for them automatically when hired. She reported that virtually none of the employees opted out, primarily out of laziness. When the 401k was optional at other restaurants, it was the reverse where virtually nobody opted-in. But I would prefer no such mandates. | |||
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| Honky Lips |
What I'm applying it to is Social security in it's entirety. My solution as I've pointed out a number of times in this very thread is to eliminate the whole thing. _____________________________________________ Proverbs 3:31 "Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways." | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Nested quotes, guys. Let's take it easy with the quotes of quotes of quotes. This eats up a lot of real estate on the page, needlessly. | |||
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