Are old apt.'s installing electric plug in's?

Is there a way to do it for new construction for those w)o garages?

Johnson county ,Iowa has 25,000 apt. Dwellers ,
Do the 5% of e.v. owners have to go elsewhere to get charged?

Cart before the horse. Gotta save the planet doncha’ know. Then there’s the fact that the grid cannot possibly keep up with the extra charging infrastructure. EV’s, especially without suitable infrastructure to keep up with demand will limit our ability to travel- I can’t help but think it’s part of the plan.

The nicer buildings in Miami Beach have valets and chargers, which they rotate the cars through. (Electric really is the ideal drive train for seasonal use in a dense urban area)

There are companies which offer a load balancing and billing system for large parking lots.

Tesla chargers can be linked together to balance a load.

Lower-end apartments won't be able to do the necessary retrofitting, and even if they do, it A, won't be available for every apartment, forcing sharing; and B, won't come without a substantial rent increase, something lower-income people won't be able to afford. And this is the party that is supposed to be the "little guy's" friend?

When they install the chargers at apartments complexes, etc, they'll undoubtedly have them taking up all the most convenient spaces right up front to avoid the expense of running the heavy electrical cables farther than they have to. And to discourage vandalism.

One of our local chain grocery stores installed two EV chargers right up front with the handicap spaces. Charging is free for two hours. That was in the beginning of Summer. I've only seen one car charging there & it had out of state tags. I asked the guy who gathers up carts if the chargers get any use, and he said maybe one or two vehicles a day, at most.

The thing is, that they put the two chargers right up front, and with the charger & space for a vehicle, they take up two parking spaces each. So they had to relocate four handicap spaces. Then there are a few Mothers With Toddlers spaces. Then the 5 or 6 spaces for those who order on-line to pick up their stuff. An employee of the month space. Cart corals. Pretty soon, heathens like me with a V8 pickup will be required to park across the road. I guess that's the plan.

We have a couple folks here that have standard extension cords running out of their apartment windows to their EVs.
I am guessing those take a very very very long time to charge.

The companies developing and installing the charging technology might be a good investment...going to be a lot of charging solutions sold in the very near future.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
We have a couple folks here that have standard extension cords running out of their apartment windows to their EVs.
I am guessing those take a very very very long time to charge.

120v charges around 4 mph on the Tesla Model 3 for what it's work. So if you get home around 6pm and charge till 6am you'd get around + 48 miles +/-.

As long as a super charger near by to top off. Not awful. But no where near as efficient as a 60A breaker with a dedicated charger. I usually show around 45 miles per hour on my home charger. (Plenty)

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Originally posted by bdylan:
The companies developing and installing the charging technology might be a good investment...going to be a lot of charging solutions sold in the very near future.

Good point! It's so obvious, but I never gave that a thought. Duh!

I've read a few where Tesla owners are paying to have personal chargers installed in apt garages (CA). Not sure what happens when you move out.
Pricey investment since you likely can't DIY.

I would think that people with EVs would need to plan around the fact that there may not be a charger in their apt complex, just like people driving ICE vehicles don't expect there to be a gas station in their apt complex. Charging an EV takes longer. That is part of the downside to saving the planet.

When my son lived in an apartment in Colorado, he paid an extra $100/month to have an enclosed garage space, so he wouldn’t get snow and ice on his car, and a little bit of storage space. A side benefit was the 110 volt outlet that was NOT metered to him. So day in and day out he got 40-60 miles of charging at no additional cost. With a relatively short commute, he would have it topped off by the weekend.

Hopefully this will be determined by the market and the responsibility of users and the apartments they are renting.
Older buildings can be retrofitted, the question is, who pays for the hardware and also the electricity?
At some point I'm sure this will somehow become a "right" that all people must have as an option, but that's a different issue.

If you live in certain areas and buy an EV now then it’s your own dumb fault. As time goes on the infrastructure will get updated. Apartment complexes will add charging bays to attract dwellers. Some places will never have charging so you are going to have to factor that in as to if you want to buy an EV or not.

Every time I go to Target the line to wait for gasoline at the next door Costco is wrapped around the building and down the street. I would never get in that line either.

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Originally posted by myrottiety:
120v charges around 4 mph on the Tesla Model 3 for what it's work. So if you get home around 6pm and charge till 6am you'd get around + 48 miles +/-.

As long as a super charger near by to top off. Not awful. But no where near as efficient as a 60A breaker with a dedicated charger. I usually show around 45 miles per hour on my home charger. (Plenty)

I hadn’t see charging rated in terms of mph before. Of course, that would vary based on the vehicle, ie a Lightning would be different that a Model 3.

For example, my truck can be filled at a rate of 5,400mph where as my son’s car fills at a rate of 9,000mph.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by myrottiety:
120v charges around 4 mph on the Tesla Model 3 for what it's work. So if you get home around 6pm and charge till 6am you'd get around + 48 miles +/-.

As long as a super charger near by to top off. Not awful. But no where near as efficient as a 60A breaker with a dedicated charger. I usually show around 45 miles per hour on my home charger. (Plenty)

I hadn’t see charging rated in terms of mph before. Of course, that would vary based on the vehicle, ie a Lightning would be different that a Model 3.

For example, my truck can be filled at a rate of 5,400mph where as my son’s car fills at a rate of 9,000mph.

Yea - It is only something I had researched as I got my Model 3. I do all my charging at home and top off from 0-350 miles for $6.20. I have a ICE car for road trips as needed.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
Hopefully this will be determined by the market and the responsibility of users and the apartments they are renting.
Older buildings can be retrofitted, the question is, who pays for the hardware and also the electricity?
At some point I'm sure this will somehow become a "right" that all people must have as an option, but that's a different issue.

"The market" is being funneled to electric and away from ice. So it's creating a new market while intentionally destroying an existing one. That is not a free market. Eventually the forcible elimination of ice for the majority of the population will exist. Trucks and commerce vehicles will be the exclusion for awhile. As has been pointed out we are far and away from any electrical infrastructure that is going to support this push for ev's. But being the cynic that I am I feel the goal is more restriction of movement for most of the populace which paves the way for further restrictions. Improving the infrastructure is rarely discussed because that's not the goal.

I just read yesterday the U.S. banned imports of Domino sugar products from the Dominican Republic. Why? Because of forced labor, child labor abuses,isolation of workers and non pay. I'm patiently waiting for them to ban battery imports that contain cobalt, lithium, manganese, graphite and other heavy metals required to make all these batteries. These are all mined in third world countries like the Democratic Republic of Congo, Chile, China, Brazil and Turkey. All well known for human right abuses and child labor. And of course none of these countries follow any of the carbon emission restrictions, pollution control standards or mining safety standards. There is no OSHA dilligently watching over any of these countries. Those are restrictions and standards are applied only to the U.S.

The libs and green weenies only hate mining in the U.S. The mining that is going on out of sight does not matter. There is so much hypocrisy and unsustainability attached to ev's it's ridiculous but the worst part is it's been determined we will be pushed and shoved down this path.

Since weather is a big factor here in the Yoop, my question for SF EV owners is this:
How rain / snow resistant is the charging cord or system?
Lugging the cable through 2 feet or more of snow doesn't sound fun. And does the cabling get stiff or hard to handle in very cold temperatures?

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by myrottiety:
120v charges around 4 mph on the Tesla Model 3 for what it's work. So if you get home around 6pm and charge till 6am you'd get around + 48 miles +/-.

As long as a super charger near by to top off. Not awful. But no where near as efficient as a 60A breaker with a dedicated charger. I usually show around 45 miles per hour on my home charger. (Plenty)

I hadn’t see charging rated in terms of mph before. Of course, that would vary based on the vehicle, ie a Lightning would be different that a Model 3.

For example, my truck can be filled at a rate of 5,400mph where as my son’s car fills at a rate of 9,000mph.

I rented a Hyundai SUV EV in September. Full charge off 110V was ~59 hours. The 220V chargers they're intalling at residential homes was still 9 hours for full charge.

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Originally posted by Bluecobra:
I would think that people with EVs would need to plan around the fact that there may not be a charger in their apt complex, just like people driving ICE vehicles don't expect there to be a gas station in their apt complex. Charging an EV takes longer. That is part of the downside to saving the planet.

It really is this simple. You make your choice and live with the consequences.

A lot of tech companies will charge your car while you are at work.