As all of you well know, there are small and even large and medium sized cities that only offer "on street" parking for tenants. These people don't even have a driveway to park in during snow storms, let alone a place to charge a car. Just look around the Boston, Cambridge, Somerville, Lowell, Lawrence, etc. areas in MA. Do you really think a landlord is going to upgrade his buildings main electrical service to accommodate you because you want to be green? This whole banning of gas cars by year XXXX is BS.

When I lived in Boston, there is no way charging could work. It was almost all on street parking in the Fenway. I also guarantee that chargers would be vandalized or some “entrepreneur” will figure out a market for the components.

Also, right now the sales pitch is pay a ridiculous amount for a vehicle but you save on gas. Well, when the EV is the norm, the politicians will see how much gas tax revenue has been lost. New taxes will come to fill the gap.

I do not have a garage, or a driveway, we park in the street in front of our house, and I’ve often wondered how this is going to work when someday they force this upon us. Am I supposed to be running cables across my lawn and sidewalk out to my car?

What gearhounds said in his post on the first page! I believe limiting our ability to travel is a large part of the plan.

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Originally posted by Green Highlander:
Also, right now the sales pitch is pay a ridiculous amount for a vehicle but you save on gas. Well, when the EV is the norm, the politicians will see how much gas tax revenue has been lost. New taxes will come to fill the gap.

That's simple: 'tax by the mile' taxes. They are already trying to push this. PA is trying to do a trial run of this, they state that if we go to 'tax per mile' taxes they will eliminate the gas tax.

I ask because the three retired people I know that drive them .
All have homes that are payed off, and fancy plugs in their garage.

None of them put more than 400 miles on per month.

When you have a bunch of CLOWN'S running the country and setting policy, some of the problems were given little thought.

I saw this interview early this morning on TV.

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Originally posted by Green Highlander:
When I lived in Boston, there is no way charging could work. It was almost all on street parking in the Fenway. I also guarantee that chargers would be vandalized or some “entrepreneur” will figure out a market for the components.

Also, right now the sales pitch is pay a ridiculous amount for a vehicle but you save on gas. Well, when the EV is the norm, the politicians will see how much gas tax revenue has been lost. New taxes will come to fill the gap.

Yup. Thieves are already cutting charging cables for copper scrap.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/...tion-thefts/2875755/

They boast that EV's are great for cities but they are best suited for the burbs where you can charge in your own garage. We own 1 EV and 2 ICE cars and I'd want no part of an EV without home charging. The lib city dwellers who vote to mandate EV's are going to be hating the reality of their situation.

Just so we're clear:

The premise (at the individual level) isn't (usually) to save (money) on gas or to be easier on the environment. If you (as an individual) can't work out your numbers or understand exactly where EV batteries come from and blindly follow the political agenda, then that's on you. Those people are idiots.

And yes, there's a political agenda. If you are angry about the political agenda (as you should be), then vent your anger in that directly.

That said, there *are* benefits to an EV that *are* worth the environmental, infrastructure, and (sometimes) pocketbook downsides.

First:

A) Instant torque, 2 motor AWD or 4 motor torque vectoring available, sometimes massive HP numbers. These are performance benefits to suit some people's driving style. Some people choose to spend their money on an EV for these performance benefits. I would. Instant torque rules in urban and suburban traffic. No different than picking something with a HEMI, SVT, AMG or M emblem because it makes some combination of horsepower or torque that suits your fancy.

B) Convenience of starting every day with a full charge. For some people, like myself who has to make a separate trip out to the gas station or intentionally rotate cars to make sure my wife's car has gas, this is worth it in and of itself. I can't even remember the number of times that we used to load up the wife's car to go somewhere and I get in and immediately have to say, "G'damnit, there's not enough gas in here. How come you didn't say anything?".

C)_Sometimes, if you play your cards rights, the numbers (money wise) also lines up. We have a plug-in hybrid. It sometimes uses gas, but mostly uses an electric battery charged from a 120v outlet in our garage. In the last year, we've driven it 6750ish miles. We've bought 75.18 gallons of gas for it. The electricity it uses is covered by excess electricity production from my solar panels (i.e., "free" electricity because excess power from my panels is sold back to the utility for pretty much nil--so, I use it or "lose" it), so I've saved about 228 gallons (5000 miles @ 22mpg for the non-EV version of the car, or about $1136 @ $5/gal here) by using "free" electricity. Does this fully offset the $8k(?) premium over the non-EV version? No, of course not (not unless I keep the car longer than 8 years--but that's unlikely), but I was going to pay the $8k premium anyway because (A) and (B) above. $1136 a year in "savings" is not nothing.

***Edit to add: and the "premium" between an EV and its ICE equivalent isn't that wide because of tax incentives. Yes, that's a political agenda, and feel free to be angry at that--but I'm certainly not going to apologize for taking advantage of a tax incentive.

For that matter how many mom and pop investors with a few rental houses are willing and able to pony up several thousand dollars per dwelling to upgrade electrical service to support fast chargers?

For that matter our house was built in the early mid 90’s, it only has a 150 amp service. From what I have read we would need a 200 amp service to support a fast charger.

Looking at Zillow on and off as some day I’ll like to have a up north getaway place. A lot of those are still using fuse panels with maybe three or four circuits.

^^^ I am a Mom and Pop landlord, and there’s no way I’m doing it. It’s not my job to fill up your ride. Most of my duplexes have a single 100a service, and the city would charge me a $2,000 impact fee before I even started the upgrade. Besides, I don’t want my property burned down.

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Originally posted by myrottiety:

Yea - It is only something I had researched as I got my Model 3. I do all my charging at home and top off from 0-350 miles for $6.20. I have a ICE car for road trips as needed.

You must have super cheap electricity or paid for solar. I’ve heard EV owners say anywhere from $14-$20 to go from 20% to 80%.

I have no idea how they're paying that.

Set this bad boy out in the parking lot! ;-)

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Originally posted by shovelhead:
For that matter how many mom and pop investors with a few rental houses are willing and able to pony up several thousand dollars per dwelling to upgrade electrical service to support fast chargers?

For that matter our house was built in the early mid 90’s, it only has a 150 amp service. From what I have read we would need a 200 amp service to support a fast charger.

Looking at Zillow on and off as some day I’ll like to have a up north getaway place. A lot of those are still using fuse panels with maybe three or four circuits.

I used to install a lot of Tesla chargers. Depends on what you mean by 'fast'. The home fast chargers can charge 80a on a 100a circuit, but I would always suggest to customers to do 90a installation because the extra 10a didn't buy that much faster charging for the cost to them.

They get about 60mph at home I believe on a 90/100a circuit (72/80a charging). It's rare for me to drive more than 10mi from my house so that's pretty fast charging.

If you're thinking supercharger then you would need a 480v electrical service added to your house. For the home fast chargers it would all depend on the total load of the house. In almost all circumstances, I would recommend a service upgrade to 200a.