Hard to defend against this type of attack. Maybe keeping the doors locked all the time so they can't swarm in so quickly. Several AR 15s rapidly deployed by employees.


https://abc7news.com/post/hell...shop-ranch/17873371/



Police in San Ramon say seven suspects have been arrested after a group of nearly 25 people ransacked a jewelry store in broad daylight Monday afternoon, stealing an estimated $1 million worth of merchandise.

The robbery happened at Heller Jewelers, located at City Center Bishop Ranch. According to police, the suspects, armed with at least three guns, stormed the store and smashed display cases with crowbars and pickaxes and grabbing whatever jewelry they could.

"When they went in, they basically took over the store" said Lt. Mike Pistello of the San Ramon Police Department. "Basically taking whatever jewelry was available."

Sad for the biz owner. Hopefully covered by insurance.

The police should just admit that they can't do anything to prevent. Perhaps not even to bring these terrorists to justice. They should be explicitly clear that people should do what it takes to prevent this from happening.

Property theft / burglary is one thing. Armed robbery en masse is another. Weapons free and no criminal or civil charges ever.

And this is the reason why God makes 30-round magazines......

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You know, one can imagine all kinds of response options, some more kinetic than others. However, all that costs money and distracts from actually running the business. Sure would be nice if we had a criminal Justice system that responded seriously to this kind of thing and put a damper on it so the business owner could just focus on running his business.

Was it the 70s when the FBI got serious about bank robbers and setup waiting for them, then apprehended aggressively?

Most of the higher-end jewelry stores around here have an air lock for both entry and exit. Whether or not this leads to hoodlums smashing plate glass windows to gain entry, we will have to see, but once the easy targets are gone, who will escalate first?

That store is in an upscale open-air mixed-use mall located in a solidly middle-class area with several wealthier communities nearby. Given the increase of smash & grab type robberies of jewelry stores over the last five years, surprised this retailer doesn't have security controlling access. Not usual for luxury stores like clothing and jewelry to have security situated outside but presenting themselves like a nightclub entrance. I know security takes resources but, even someone posted at the door can hit the locks should something fishy seem imminent.

So they have a system that locks the armed, desperate group in instead of the other way around? How does security not hit the lock when he sees this group rushing the door? Afraid of being labeled racist? Or simply not the right guy for the job?

Top it all off with the owner being hobbled by firearms and legalized theft laws and you have a recipe for these kinds of crimes and so much more.

Its called a security vestibule. As the scrotes try to flee, the outer door locks and then the inner door locks. The glass is shatterproof. Its more or less a small room that traps the thieves inside until cops arrive. Might not hold 25 people though. My bank has one that could hold maybe 10 people.

Never would've guessed shatter resistant glass on the cases, but makes sense.

A jewelry store owner showed me video of an attempt on his store. Just 2 guys with a getaway waiting in the parking lot.
Best I can recall, neither of the 'shoppers' was armed.

The owner charging the door with a pistol drawn flushed them out the door.

Seven apprehended from Oakland? How can that be? That place is super nice, full of upstanding citizens and workers.

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Seven apprehended from Oakland?

Probably found hanging around the local Oakland In/Out. Lol.

Instead of trees and bushes in the walkway outside, they need a thick 10' wall as a backstop.
"The range is hot"

I imagine it could be done but would be expensive. On military bases they handled it pretty well for access into sensitive areas. Like when I went into spaces before entering SCIFs, you badge into the first door, then authenticate again before badgind into a second one-mana turnstile, that sort of thing. I imagine something like that could be done for an expensive retailer like that. A big initial investment but could easily pay off preventing this sort of thing. So if 25 thugs come in at once, they'll have to break into the first door first, or let in but unable to get thru the second door, and locked into the space while the police arrive. I don't see how hard that would be to implement. If you're selling stuff that expensive, you wouldn't want just anyone off the street to come in to shop anyway.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Its called a security vestibule.

Might not hold 25 people though. My bank has one that could hold maybe 10 people.

A much nicer name than "Sally Port"

The ones that seem to work well are the ones that require you to be buzzed "in" after the outer door closes. The outer doors have to lock before the inner doors will unlock

Since they do have limited space, you're limiting any attempt to "mob" the business

This was about 10 miles from my house.

The crime we get out here usually comes out of Oakland.

A couple years back a couple of Oakland residents robbed the Home Depot in my town and shot the young security guard dead.

Savages…

I bet it would have been a different outcome at Dave’s store.

Before we moved to our present location, we'd drive over to San Ramon, Danville and Livermore to get away from the savages. The BIG mistake that San Ramon made was to build Bishop Ranch. ("Bishop Ranch brings the best of West Coast dining and entertainment to the heart of San Ramon with fashionable shopping, local retailers, and food destinations.") When the place first opened, many companies that rented space there had government contracts with race quotas. The final result was the demographic that makes life so much fun discovered they could drive a half hour to a city where there is much wealth and ignorance about that demographic.

Even with a security door, they will just drive a car through it. Around here, some gun stores and motorcycle dealers have put up hard barriers to prevent vehicles from crashing through the building.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Its called a security vestibule. As the scrotes try to flee, the outer door locks and then the inner door locks. The glass is shatterproof. Its more or less a small room that traps the thieves inside until cops arrive. Might not hold 25 people though. My bank has one that could hold maybe 10 people.

I worked for a financial services company. About 25 years ago the company had an IT expo. A company that made this type of vestibule exhibited a demo unit for use in branch banks. The premise was only one door open at a time. The outer door would open, allow people to enter, then close. Security could scan the folks between doors then open the inner door. If the scan determined that the folks shouldn't enter, security could lock the inner door then open the outer door and invite the miscreants to depart. The unit was bulletproof, if the miscreants discharged a weapon instead of leaving, the results would be interesting. I suspect there is a market for this in CA.

Bump stocks,
Making apprehension easier with the flick of a switch

California (and other liberal urban areas).
What else needs to be said.