Kinda make Trump's conversation with Billy Bush seem like the minor leagues (or bush league ).

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
Some details on Lauer starting to emerge...Does anything like this happen in the industry you work in?


http://variety.com/2017/biz/ne...le-women-1202625959/

Oh Matt, he's been a baaad boy

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His office was in a secluded space, and he had a button under his desk that allowed him to lock his door from the inside without getting up. This afforded him the assurance of privacy. It allowed him to welcome female employees and initiate inappropriate contact while knowing nobody could walk in on him, according to two women who were sexually harassed by Lauer.

This quote from one of his former producers explains why this shit happens in the entertainment field.

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“He couldn’t sleep around town with celebrities or on the road with random people, because he’s Matt Lauer and he’s married. So he’d have to do it within his stable, where he exerted power, and he knew people wouldn’t ever complain.”

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Originally posted by oddball:

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His office was in a secluded space, and he had a button under his desk that allowed him to lock his door from the inside without getting up. This afforded him the assurance of privacy. It allowed him to welcome female employees and initiate inappropriate contact while knowing nobody could walk in on him, according to two women who were sexually harassed by Lauer.

Hell, I would never even meet with a female subordinate behind closed doors.

The crudeness of just dropping trough in front of a women simply astonishes me. I may not be the smoothest operator but I wouldn't be so crude with my wife nor before I was married a girlfriend.

Good grief. Who would?

As an unmarried man who is very well versed in everything from one nighters and brief flings to serious monogamous relationships and everything in between, and one who does lots of socializing in those ways, and one who has has many flings and romps and relationships that started by meeting them in the office, and even one who has enjoyed all manner of consensual hetero relations that are well beyond traditional/missionary, I've seen and heard a lot, and yet never even considered some of what these fools have done.

I've done all those things above and then some, yet did it all absolutely consensually, with manners and such even, even while juggling more than one in parallel, being honest and forthright, avoiding silly games, while at small privately-owned firms to giant multinational firms and the rest, having amazing times aplenty, never with a subordinate I was in charge of, but with those who were younger or lower rank, my peers, even some above my paygrade, all while getting the regular job I was being paid for done/done well.

I have no sympathy for creeps, power abusing assholes, or any similar thing. I'm neither wealthy nor famous, neither Adonis nor model attractive, I'm simply bright, do well enough, look nice enough, etc, and am a regularly confident guy who has made the most of my circumstances, having never avoided marriage nor commitment, it just hasn't worked out that way, and if I can do the things I've seen and done, these folks have no excuse.

The single common denominator here is the abuse of power, and that's neither exclusive to the Right nor the Left, neither small firms nor large, because office hanky panky and such is happening everywhere, I assure you... more than most would believe.

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Originally posted by Fenris:
The crudeness of just dropping trough in front of a women simply astonishes me. I may not be the smoothest operator but I wouldn't be so crude with my wife nor before I was married a girlfriend.

Good grief. Who would?

Please don't think for a second that I'd ever do so like these folks, or that I'm excusing their behavior at all, but you'd be surprised what many folks (men and women) like and enjoy.

The list of things I've had women straight up ask/beg me to do is astonishing and long.

Believe it.

The problem here is that many, apparently, didn't ask nor want it.

The things themselves, in a consensual context, aren't even surprising.

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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
Just a comment about these pervs dropping trou and showing off their penis.....they're either hung like a horse and/or have zero pride. I can't even IMAGINE showing my schlong to anyone but a significant other...I'm just too "short" to make it public. Nothing to see here...move along...

JEEZUS!!!

So . . . it is okay if it is ten inches long?

Brother...just playing the hand of cards God dealt me.

These stories of sliding a hand up a woman's shirt, dropping trou and showing one's dick, etc., suggest to me that a LOT of the time these creeps got what they wanted, or at least got away with what they did. When he exposed himself, Lauer reprimanded a woman for not blowing him, or whatever he wanted.

As with Weinstein, and so many others, many women must have been so intimidated that they satisfied him, or at least did not report his behavior. That pattern was probably the case with most, or even all, of these creeps.

These assaults and harassments were not events so much as they were a lifestyle.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Please don't think for a second that I'd ever do so like these folks, or that I'm excusing their behavior at all, but you'd be surprised what many folks (men and women) like and enjoy.

The list of things I've had women straight up ask/beg me to do is astonishing and long.

Believe it.

The problem here is that many, apparently, didn't ask nor want it.

The things themselves, in a consensual context, aren't even surprising.

Just to make sure I'm clear since I started this line of the thread - I know for a fact that all of these things and more take place, but what I have seen personally has always been in a consensual manner. When I worked for a large corporation (over 20K employees) one of the departments I helped support was HR, so I got to see all kinds of HR issues. I never saw anything like what is being reported - a man forcing himself on a woman, harassing her. I did see all manner of affairs, inappropriate things happening in the office (but always consensually), etc.

I don't doubt that these things happen in the regular corporate environment, but if you listen to these stories coming out in these industries, it's like a known thing that happens every day and everyone is aware of it and just ignores or accepts it. I find that flabbergasting.

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Originally posted by dusty3030:
And now Garrison Keillor.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.04659e13e81c

These accusations seem pretty thin.

All this time I thought lauer was gay. I may need my gaydar calibrated. What straight guy never gains an ounce?

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Originally posted by pbslinger:
All this time I thought lauer was gay. I may need my gaydar calibrated. What straight guy never gains an ounce?

One too busy burning calories the fun way.

At a company I worked for, one of the SVPs (married) became enamored of a cute, young secretary. He sent her flowers. She ignored them. He sent more. She ignored. After several iterations she went to HR, who told him to stop. He sent flowers to apologize. She complained to HR again. She started receiving anonymous flowers. Finally, the CEO told him one more flower, even a single dandelion, and he was fired.

The flowers stopped.

Are you not entertained ?

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Originally posted by jhe888:

So . . . it is okay if it is ten inches long?

Of course, good intentions and all. It's a gift to be shared.

serious question: Can there be any determination of whether these 'entertainment' people are all some form of perverts infecting their job site with what used to be defined as a type of criminal psychosis, or being deeply insulated by an industry that proclaims how normal they consider such behavior, have twisted otherwise upright and moral individuals?

Not that 'either/or' will solve the issue.

Just came across a term in a Fox article: "pervnado". Made m chuckle.

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Originally posted by Sigmanic:
Kinda make Trump's conversation with Billy Bush seem like the minor leagues (or bush league ).

Now that you mention President Trump, Somehow, I have a suspicion that all this leftist purge is leading up to the left saying :

" We fired all our sexual harrassment figures, now its time for Trump to step down."

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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

But have you, personally, ever heard of a case of a man exposing himself to a woman in the office or calling a woman over and then masturbating in front of her?

This seems to be fairly common in the entertainment, journalism and political fields. I've never personally heard of a case like that in any company I've ever worked for, with, or am aware of.

This is being spun as occurring everywhere, but I don't think so - it's only in those few industries that I've ever heard of this happening.

I think it is reported more when it is entertainment, news, and politics because those people are in the public eye.

I know of similar cases in private businesses. Quite a few over my years as a lawyer, and sorry to say, sometimes in law firms. (I personally knew one very profitable partner who was fired after screwing one too many staff members and junior lawyers.) Sometimes it was swept under the rug and other times the offender was fired.

I think these more public figures are just reported on more because the public is more interested in Louis CK or Franken than they are in some anonymous VP at Shell Oil.

Just last month I collected video footage of a now-fired co-worker (non-entertainment industry) who was harassing another employee, and had exposed himself to her off-site. He's the only one of about 175 employees I'm aware of (over about 13 years) to go so far as expose himself. I do know of a handful of other cases of men inappropriately pressuring, touching and/or "complementing," females for certain physical attributes.

As far as the entertainment industry, JHE is correct, I think, in that that industry is impacts most of our lives in a very conscious and hopefully enjoyable way most every day. It's near top of mind to most all of us. We know the names and faces, or at least the projects they've been involved in. If a manager at a computer-parts manufacturer pressures a secretary into diddling him, nobody outside that company and the victim's family will care, thus we'll never hear about it.

Also, if a person wants a job in Hollywood, then their options are limited. It's often either give in/keep quiet, or choose a completely different career path, I think.

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Originally posted by signewt:
serious question: Can there be any determination of whether these 'entertainment' people are all some form of perverts infecting their job site with what used to be defined as a type of criminal psychosis, or being deeply insulated by an industry that proclaims how normal they consider such behavior, have twisted otherwise upright and moral individuals?

Not that 'either/or' will solve the issue.

It not that, but simply a function of wealth and power at levels above most of us, which happens to be prevalent in Politics, Entertainment, Sports, some Churches or Schools, and the like, where the power dynamic is larger than normal, or where cash flows like water...

Throw a few to several million bucks, or the potential for fame, or the potential for real power and influence, into most any situation, and the exact same things can and will occur, from those who make six figures up to those will zillions to Priests and Professors.

It's power, influence, and money, of a notably high degree, plain and simple.

That such things are prevalent in Hollywood is pure coincidence.