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doesn't having standards that apply to all equally make it diverse and inclusive?
 
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When the war comes, the Chinese will cut off pony tails and wear them as trophies...


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If a man is training hand to hand combat with a female, who has a pony tail, will the guy be allowed to pull said pony tail to show the gal how stupid it is to have one?


One of the reasons why the ancient Roman army cut their hair short, besides for sanitary reasons, was to prevent an opponent from grabbing the hair in hand to hand combat. But hey, we know modern warfare never involves hand to hand combat, right?



 
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Jesus Wept.

Once again, I'm SO glad that part of my life is in the past.


Me, too!

I just wish my grandson would take his retirement. He is Special Forces, and is rated at 100% disabled due to wounds received in combat! And to think that that idiot in the white house is doing what he is doing, irritates the hell out of me. I have 2 grandsons. One is living with us, 100% disabled. The other, as noted, is still in uniform altho 100% disabled due to wounds received in combat. I dread the thought that he may be sent back into combat based on current and rapidly upcoming leadership.


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Well I guess the lipstick would not be all that bad, in comparison to the ponytail lunacy. Pony tail just provides another way for an enemy to get a dangerous hold on the female soldiers.

People making these "decisions" need to be shipped out of our country! They have no concept of what our military is supposed to be doing, or how to do it.


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There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour)

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. "
-Thomas Jefferson

"America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville

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we shake our heads. our enemies will get a good laugh out of it.
 
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Reminds me of the Bureau of Prisons. When I started in '81, we had self-defense and monthly, on shift proficiency tests of one move. Then it went quarterly. Then annually. Then we were taught to lie on our backs and crab walk backwards while kicking. One old salt, in my last annual training, shouted out, "What's next, ask 'em if we should spit or swaller?"
 
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We should refuse to fight anyone who doesn't have a diverse, all inclusive fighting force.


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The fall of Rome.



You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier
 
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Removing Mohawks? What if you a Native American with ties to upstate NY?

Long hair is a great idea - especially for heavy equipment and tank operators.


I knew a guy that was off the res in WNY while at 10th MTN....huge dude that wore his hair very close to a mohawk. Good NCO and funny as hell.


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“At the end of the day, our women are mothers, spouses and sisters,”

There is no end off the day while serving nut sniffer.... Roll Eyes

I worked with a lot for MK1 female types as I was in signal and Civil Affairs...some actually gave a shit and would take advantage of this bullshit but the majority would be all over this BS....I have no doubt there will be meme that comes our showing a female doing her nails in full battle rattle....

Now as I said not all females would do that....I had the great pleasure to know 2 hard charging females...SSGT Rundy came to Korea out of the 82nd and in spite if her small stature could ruck with the big dogs.

Also Mejia SSGT type, she was one of the first female Air ASSAULT instructors....good solider and fun person....she also had hair down to her ass...worn in a very type bun so big she bought PCs a size or 2 larger than her head


someone remind me how this helps readiness??

Oh ya...never mind
 
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"They're very pretty, Colonel, very pretty. But can they fight?"


Succinctly said.

I can't believe this group didn't catch that this is a Donald Sutherland line from The Dirty Dozen, where he impersonates an inspecting General officer.


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I’m not going to shit on them over the clear nail polish. I knew several football players who used clear nail polish to keep from ripping their nails up. They weren’t trying to be pretty, pretty princesses. They were trying not to get half their nail ripped off when they grabbed a handful of running back when the ref wasn’t looking!

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
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Originally posted by BMR:
"They're very pretty, Colonel, very pretty. But can they fight?"


Succinctly said.

I can't believe this group didn't catch that this is a Donald Sutherland line from The Dirty Dozen, where he impersonates an inspecting General officer.


Where ya from son?


Never heard of it
 
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Army brass..."So, what color would you like to paint the barracks, while we watch the barracks burn to the ground." Apparently mental retardation is now a requirement for senior military leadership (and I use that term very lightly).


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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
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Originally posted by BMR:
"They're very pretty, Colonel, very pretty. But can they fight?"


Succinctly said.

I can't believe this group didn't catch that this is a Donald Sutherland line from The Dirty Dozen, where he impersonates an inspecting General officer.


I’m not much for wholesale remembering movie quotes. Besides that, I don’t recall seeing the movie.



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“Some people don’t like change but that’s just how the world is,” said Sergeant Major of the Army Michael Grinston during a call with reporters. “It changes over time and we need to change with it. I’m not going to go into who voted and who said what, but this panel represented our force from all walks of life, and we brought in experts,” like dermatologists and psychologists.


What a crock of shit. That board "representing" the Army Personnel was composed of all women with the exception of one black male and on hispanic male. Really, that is supposed to be a representative example of the staffing of todays Army. Last time I looked the US Army seemed to be a predominantly MALE organization with a mixture of ALL races.

I will also note that there was a time when the ONLY haircut you were permitted was a Standard Service haircut that was quite short. Because there is a very real Tactical Advantage to a Buzz Cut when in hand to hand combat. Give your opponent a handhold like a pony tail and a skilled fighter can use that ponytail to break your neck.


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Give your opponent a handhold like a pony tail and a skilled fighter can use that ponytail to break your neck.
I'm sure one of our recruits would simply respond by hitting that enemy combatant...with his purse. Roll Eyes


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Give your opponent a handhold like a pony tail and a skilled fighter can use that ponytail to break your neck.
I'm sure one of our recruits would simply respond by hitting that enemy combatant...with his purse. Roll Eyes


Purses will be considered combat weapons?? Smile




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Give your opponent a handhold like a pony tail and a skilled fighter can use that ponytail to break your neck.
I'm sure one of our recruits would simply respond by hitting that enemy combatant...with his purse. Roll Eyes


Purses will be considered combat weapons?? Smile
Absolutely, for both men and women and everything in between. Razz


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