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Originally posted by DrDan:
I'd still call the Postal Inspector, but it seems to me the sender is screwed. You haven't received payment, the UPS Store says they have no record it got there. You could talk to the Postmaster and see if they can talk to the carrier that supposedly delivered it.

And this is why one should never send cash in the mail.

PP discreet preferred. But a money order can at least be cancelled.

My first thought was that he did in fact send cash, and that’s the reason you didn’t get it despite the postal service’s claim that it was delivered. If there was a USPS record of the article, then something must have been mailed. At that point the sender couldn’t hope that it would disappear without being delivered if he didn’t in fact include the cash. It still could have degenerated into “There was cash in the envelope,” “No, there wasn’t,” but if you had a witness who backed up your claim he would have been out of luck (probably).

On the other hand, the postal system could have shown it as delivered even if an employee of the UPS store recognized what was in the envelope and stole it there. At this point that seems most likely to me, and the incident should be reported to the police as a theft, presumably by someone in the UPS store, but also possibly by the letter carrier or whoever in the USPS system would have been able to mark it as delivered. The victim is actually the sender, but you presumably have the records from the USPS and from the UPS store that demonstrate the disconnect.

As for the buyer’s actions, unless you’re willing to send him the gun and try to recoup your loss from the UPS store (or possibly the USPS), I don’t see how you can do anything but respond to anything he posts on the Internet with your explanation of the incident.

let him spend all the money he saved on a money order , "outing you on the inner net,

everyone with a quarter of a brain will think he is a puddle head for sending more than $25.00 in cash , anyway

Too bad for the buyer, he got ripped off.

But he can't be mad at you. His first mistake was sending cash. that is just stupid. His second mistake was not paying the extra few bucks to send it certified.

Since you didn't get anything at all, like an empty envelope, even though you have tracking data you know for sure he sent something. My guess is he sent the cash like he said. More than likely someone at the UPS store realized there was cash and stole the entire thing.

The amount was in the hundreds of dollars.

I sold a Macbook here, and when the buyer said the touchpad was not working, I took it back and refunded him the money.

I do not rip people off.

Big scam. No one is sending cash in an envelope for payment.

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Originally posted by SIG4EVA:
Big scam. No one is sending cash in an envelope for payment.

Winner!!!

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Originally posted by JRC:
Sounds like your being scammed. Make him offer up some proof he sent cash... a bank withdrawal receipt within a few days of when he says he would have mailed it, a mutual fund company transaction/withdrawal statement, check cashed for $$$ receipt, etc.

Nope. No need. If one can say "I sent you the cash." They can jimmy up some "proof" they took out the money. What are you going to do if the buyer does come up with the proof?

The fact is the seller didn't get any money and the UPS store says it has no record of it coming in.

If the OP followed DrDan 's post, I'd say he did his due diligence.

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Originally posted by bendable:
let him spend all the money he saved on a money order , "outing you on the inner net,

everyone with a quarter of a brain will think he is a puddle head for sending more than $25.00 in cash , anyway

This, by the trainload.

It's not a deal until the funds are in your hand. Its his responsibility to insure that the funds reach your hand, something he failed to do. Not only did he fail to do that, he made an attempt in a manner that opened him up to a total loss. The fact that the business he shipped to shows no record of it arriving is proof that the funds did not reach your hand. He is an idiot. Let him "out" you, the only folks who will take his side are idiots as well.

Stand your ground.

Let him out you on the internet. You just respond: Show me proof that you sent the money. He can't. Internet will backlash on him.

Even in court, he wouldn't have grounds. He can't show proof that he sent payment.

Just curious, does the tracking number that he provided to you show the actual address that it was delivered to? In other words, when you put the tracking number in the USPS web site, does it just say "delivered" on xx-xx date, or does it say, "delivered to 320 Main St. blah, blah?"

If the actual street address of your mailbox is not shown, there is a likelihood that he sent an empty envelope or package to some other address, even his own, since it will just say "delivered" and not to where. You see delivered, and assume it was.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
On the other hand, the postal system could have shown it as delivered even if an employee of the UPS store recognized what was in the envelope and stole it there.

It could also show delivered if the mail carrier dropped it off at the wrong business/house, right? Just looked at the tracking on a recent package I received, and it only lists city/zip under location where it was delivered.

Lots of what-ifs here that could have been prevented by a little common sense from the buyer, if he is indeed legitimate. Cash has a way of "growing legs" and disappearing.

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Originally posted by JRC:
Sounds like your being scammed. Make him offer up some proof he sent cash... a bank withdrawal receipt within a few days of when he says he would have mailed it, a mutual fund company transaction/withdrawal statement, check cashed for $$$ receipt, etc.

I wouldn't go there. What if he can produce said withdrawal proof? Doesn't mean he mailed it. Even if he did, you didn't get it. Asking for that proof and him producing it is the edge of a slippery slope, even if only in his mind. I say he's SOL.

When does USPS say it was delivered? In other words, how many days has the envelope been missing?

We routinely have trouble with USPS tracking saying an item has been delivered to our mailbox and it's not there. The items will show up in our box a couple of days later. Hopefully this may be the case here.

I suspect it's a scam but here's what I would ask:
He decided to send it as cash, not you. He is responsible for making sure you received payment that you specified.
The tracking number so you can check it yourself.
Give him the phone number of the UPS store so he can ask them if they ever got it or what happened to it.

He is the shipper so he would have to make any claim from his end. Offer to give the Post Office a sworn affidavit that you didn't receive it.

If he had sent you a postal money order and you scammed him, he could have a federal case with documented proof.
He didn't and sent untraceable cash to someone he didn't know so he's a fool (or just a scammer himself).

sent he sent the package it's his responsibility to make the claim to the USPS over the issue, make them prove it was or wasn't delivered to the correct place.

If it was delivered then you have an issue with the UPS store and that needs to be addressed.

I'd imagine the contents of the package being cash are not insured or covered under any insurance he could have bought.

What is he asking for, the gun or you to give him his cash back. If it's the cash then I'd suspect he's scamming you, what is the guys history at the other board, long timer, short time, one time....

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Originally posted by HRK:
sent he sent the package it's his responsibility to make the claim to the USPS over the issue, make them prove it was or wasn't delivered to the correct place.

If it was delivered then you have an issue with the UPS store and that needs to be addressed.

I'd imagine the contents of the package being cash are not insured or covered under any insurance he could have bought.

What is he asking for, the gun or you to give him his cash back. If it's the cash then I'd suspect he's scamming you, what is the guys history at the other board, long timer, short time, one time....

He's a long-time member with a high post count.

I think he's legit. He just wants the gun.

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Originally posted by ml1209:

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Originally posted by HRK:
sent he sent the package it's his responsibility to make the claim to the USPS over the issue, make them prove it was or wasn't delivered to the correct place.

If it was delivered then you have an issue with the UPS store and that needs to be addressed.

I'd imagine the contents of the package being cash are not insured or covered under any insurance he could have bought.

What is he asking for, the gun or you to give him his cash back. If it's the cash then I'd suspect he's scamming you, what is the guys history at the other board, long timer, short time, one time....

He's a long-time member with a high post count.

I think he's legit. He just wants the gun.

It is his responsibility to get you the payment.

You didn't get it. No gun for him.

High post count doesn't mean squat. Life teaches a hard lesson sometimes.

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If he'd indicated he was going to send cash, I would have said "Don't do that!"