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US Navy selects new Frigate design
May 03, 2020, 01:20 PM
corsairUS Navy selects new Frigate design
Fincantieri Wins $795M Contract for Navy Frigate Program quote:
The Navy awarded a $795-million contract to Fincantieri to begin building a new class of guided-missile frigates, in the first new major shipbuilding program the service has started in more than a decade, the Navy announced today.
Fincantieri beat out what was originally four other competitors, who were asked by the Navy to take a mature parent design and evolve it to meet the Navy’s needs for potential high-end warfare. Fincantieri, which will build its frigate at its Marinette Marine shipyard in Wisconsin, based its FFG(X) design on the FREMM multi-mission frigate already operated by the French and Italian navies.
The detail design and construction contract covers one ship in the current Fiscal Year 2020 and options for as many as nine more ships, for a total value of $5.58 billion if all options are exercised.
“The Navy’s Guided-Missile Frigate (FFG(X)) will be an important part of our future fleet,” Chief of Naval Operations, Adm. Mike Gilday said in a Navy statement.
“FFG(X) is the evolution of the Navy’s Small Surface Combatant with increased lethality, survivability, and improved capability to support the National Defense Strategy across the full range of military operations. It will no doubt help us conduct distributed maritime operations more effectively, and improve our ability to fight both in contested blue-water and littoral environments.”
“I am very proud of the hard work from the requirements, acquisition, and shipbuilder teams that participated in the full and open competition, enabling the Navy to make this important decision today,” James Geurts, assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition, said in the statement.
“Throughout this process, the government team and our industry partners have all executed with a sense of urgency and discipline, delivering this contract award three months ahead of schedule. The team’s intense focus on cost, acquisition, and technical rigor, enabled the government to deliver the best value for our taxpayers as we deliver a highly capable next generation frigate to our warfighters.”
“When we began this journey nearly two years ago it was with the belief that there was a place for new ideas, new platforms and new partners in an already talented U.S. shipbuilding industry,” Fincantieri Marine Group CEO Dario Deste said in a statement. “Today’s announcement validates that thinking.”
The Navy has spoken about its frigate program as the model of how it would like to approach ship acquisition in the future. By bringing together a FFG Requirements Evaluation Team (RET) that included the acquisition community, resource sponsors, the budget community, fleet representatives, technologists in and out of government and both shipbuilders and others in industry, the Navy was able to figure out early on how it might balance capability with cost. The service has said this approach shaved six years off the program, compared to what it might have looked like under more traditional approaches.
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May 03, 2020, 01:36 PM
BBMWFor entry into service around 2030.
May 03, 2020, 02:35 PM
CQB60Unlike the Little Crappy Ships, that have been vexed / plagued with major propulsion failures, it’s a proven design. It’s production cycle will lend & benefit the upgrades coming to both the weapons & sensor suites.
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May 03, 2020, 02:58 PM
LS1 GTOquote:
Originally posted by BBMW:
For entry into service around 2030.
Just imagine the technological advances and changes in warfare at sea theories which will change over the next decade.
All of the O-5/O-6 "let's put this in so I can add the upgrade idea to my FITREP" overruns are going to be massive.
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May 03, 2020, 10:36 PM
RHINOWSOHow long until the protests from the losing companies begin...?
May 04, 2020, 09:45 AM
MikeinNCWhat’s wrong with the frigates they have now?
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navyshooterquote:
Originally posted by MikeinNC:
What’s wrong with the frigates they have now?
Last Perry Class FFG was decom'ed in 2015. The latest ones are reclassified LCS's
LCS a POS by any other name.....
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May 04, 2020, 09:57 AM
BBMWRight now, we have no frigates in service. The last of the Perrys were decommissioned years ago. The USN wants something smaller and cheaper to both build and operate than the Burke class destroyers.
Edit: And Navyshooter hit the button right before I did.
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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
What’s wrong with the frigates they have now?
May 04, 2020, 10:05 AM
BBMWThe point of using as existing design was to accelerate the process. Not entering service for ten years,for a conventional is somewhat advanced design, doesn't strike me as particularly accelerated.
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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
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Originally posted by BBMW:
For entry into service around 2030.
Just imagine the technological advances and changes in warfare at sea theories which will change over the next decade.
All of the O-5/O-6 "let's put this in so I can add the upgrade idea to my FITREP" overruns are going to be massive.
May 04, 2020, 10:07 AM
stoic-oneWe should just modernize and slightly up-size the old PHM/Pegasus/hydrafoil platform, to give it more range and open sea capability. The original range was 1.2k NM.
That was a bad ass little boat, or maybe I'm just silly.
May 04, 2020, 10:20 AM
corsairquote:
Originally posted by BBMW:
Right now, we have no frigates in service. The last of the Perrys were decommissioned years ago. The USN wants something smaller and cheaper to both build and operate than the Burke class destroyers.
The 2030 IOC is a stand-out point....10-years from award to full-ops.
I saw a schedule, for all the ships, while the first IOC will be in 2030, all 10-hulls of contract will be in the water by then...nevertheless an oddly slow roll-out. I understand the shipyard in WI still has 4-more LCS's to build along with being in the process of upgrading/modernizing to pivot to FFG builds.
There was also an article where the USN is considering a 2nd yard for the FFG builds to accelerate the process. Burke's are split between two yards BIW in Maine and HII in Mississippi. The older Sprucans were all built in Mississippi..that screwed US shipbuilding for the future. Perry-class frigates were built between 3-yards, to include two West Coast yards.
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Originally posted by stoic-one:
We should just modernize and slightly up-size the old PHM/Pegasus/hydrafoil platform, to give it more range and open sea capability. The original range was 1.2k NM.
Potent little things but, they were maintenance hogs, the PC class was supposed to replace them, they turned out to be nothing more than command billets for NSW officers. Functional for presence missions so, there's value in the Gulf and off of Florida.
May 04, 2020, 10:23 AM
MikeinNCquote:
Originally posted by navyshooter:
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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
What’s wrong with the frigates they have now?
Last Perry Class FFG was decom'ed in 2015. The latest ones are reclassified LCS's
LCS a POS by any other name.....
Didn’t know that...
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icom706The only active USN frigate now is the USS Constitution. Put some modern weapons on her and she'll be able to cause the same terror as the did during the war of 1812. The pocket battle ship of her day; Stronger than anything smaller and able to out run anything bigger. The RN whined about calling these 50 gun monsters Frigates. he he he.
All wood makes for a very small radar signature, so stealthy she is too. As she is with some Ma duces and stingers added, would do well against the Iranian navy of today.
Well, we did lose the USS Philadelphia to the Barbary Pirates, but she hit a sandbar. She was burned during a daring SEAL raid by a young USN LT. Decatur.
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May 04, 2020, 10:38 AM
tanksoldierquote:
Originally posted by MikeinNC:
What’s wrong with the frigates they have now?
What was wrong with the frigates we had in 1797?
You have to update and modernize, and given the long lead time you have to do it while your current ships are still seviceable.
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MikeinNCYes, I get that. I was unaware that we didn’t have anymore since the hulls have been retired.
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CD228quote:
Originally posted by stoic-one:
We should just modernize and slightly up-size the old PHM/Pegasus/hydrafoil platform, to give it more range and open sea capability. The original range was 1.2k NM.
That was a bad ass little boat, or maybe I'm just silly.
What did they pack for Anti-Air/Anti Missile? I remember them packing two quad tube harpoon launchers and a 76mm Gun. I don't think the 76mm can stop multi incoming cruise missiles.
May 05, 2020, 08:05 PM
corsairquote:
Originally posted by CD228:What did they pack for Anti-Air/Anti Missile? I remember them packing two quad tube harpoon launchers and a 76mm Gun. I don't think the 76mm can stop multi incoming cruise missiles.
They didn't. It was a pure offensive craft.
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May 06, 2020, 05:36 AM
CQB60The Patrol Coastals currently deployed to the U.S. 5th Fleet area of operations providing Maritime security & escort operations in the Arabian gulf augment their AA defense with MANPADs FIN-92’s aka Stingers.
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Originally posted by corsair:
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Originally posted by CD228:What did they pack for Anti-Air/Anti Missile? I remember them packing two quad tube harpoon launchers and a 76mm Gun. I don't think the 76mm can stop multi incoming cruise missiles.
They didn't. It was a pure offensive craft.
Speed and punch
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May 06, 2020, 05:56 AM
XinTXquote:
Marinette Marine shipyard in Wisconsin
Just curious, how do they get ships from WI out into the ocean? Only route I can think of is through the Great Lakes and out via the St Lawrence river. But our US ships would have to transit through Canada before being commissioned. Or is there another route I'm missing. Don't know enough about that area to know if there's any other way.
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May 06, 2020, 06:25 AM
CQB60That’s the correct course. Has already been weather related incidents with recently commissioned LCS’ whereas of ice on the water around the port of Montreal and a lack of tug boats to guide the warship out, was stuck in port.
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Marinette Marine shipyard in Wisconsin
Just curious, how do they get ships from WI out into the ocean? Only route I can think of is through the Great Lakes and out via the St Lawrence river. But our US ships would have to transit through Canada before being commissioned. Or is there another route I'm missing. Don't know enough about that area to know if there's any other way.
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