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The Unmanned Writer |
Some people just need killin' Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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quarter MOA visionary |
No way. Pretty much thought you automatically got a stiffer sentence than whoever attacked you. I am amazed. | |||
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Coin Sniper |
I found it interesting how the burgler's mother had the same diatribe as the mothers of criminals in this country. "The person (real victim) should have just let him commit his crime and not done anything. I want justice" Justice was served my dear, quick and final. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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Objectively Reasonable |
Not intentionally being a smartass, I promise...you read the part about him being exonerated by the Coroner, right? | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
I guess I could use my P226 as a tent peg mallet.
That'll get one in trouble here in the States as well. | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
There was no mention there of it being done to actually help him on the way to recovery, was there?  | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
Quite right, too. Here in UK EVERY death that appears to have been caused by another person using a weapon of some kind is initially treated as murder until it can be shown that he acted in self-defence of himself and his family. Only Mr Tent-peg Mallet has been found to intentionally and maliciously caused the death of another person got his just deserts. All the others walked. Back in the days when we had gun stores that sold handguns, a guy wearing a full-face motor-cycle helmet walked into the LGS armed with a badly-sawn off shotgun. This he proceeded to stick into the throat of the guy behind the counter, drawing a deal of blood on the sawn muzzles, demanding guns, ammunition and money. While he was engaged in that, the other store clerk, that he seemed not to have noticed, and who was cleaning a .38 revolver, loaded it up, walked behind him and putting the barrel against the side of the helmet, blew his brains all over the store. Initially, HE was charged with murder, but was able to show that he believed that the life of his colleague was in danger of being curtailed somewhat by the thug and his 12g. He, too, walked... | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
As I pointed out in post #1 - 'Notice how the would-be burglar's mother, 'Gypsy Rose Lee', tries to defend her POS son - sounds all too familiar to SIG forum readers.' | |||
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I will get by |
Coroner Harris scores a self-defense act as it were a organized sport with many rules. As 'tie goes to the runner' in baseball, so it seems the burden of defensive acts is measured by the criminals 'tools' and intent. Over defend yourself (seriously...) and you become the criminal. It is now that up is down. Do not necessarily attribute someone's nasty or inappropriate actions as intended when it may be explained by ignorance or stupidity. | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
Tut tut. You really haven't been reading what I've been writing, have you, Sir? | |||
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| Only dead fish go with the flow  |
Yes, and I also read the part about them arresting him for murder when it was clear to them that he was attacked in his home by armed intruders. Do you see the problem? It clearly should have never gotten to the point where he needed to be exonerated. Had there not been a public backlash after his arrest, they may have tried to prosecute him. | |||
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| Internet Guru |
Pretty depressing to read the comments of coroner Harris. He presents this as a very subjective situation that could have went either way. I find that asinine and offensive. | |||
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| Only dead fish go with the flow |
So basically, the default is that you're guilty until they can be convinced otherwise. | |||
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Drill Here, Drill Now |
Where do you live? Here in Texas, if you shoot someone in self-defense you're almost certain (of course there are exceptions) of the DA taking it to the grand jury. In other words, charged with murder and hiring legal counsel to hopefully get a "no bill" from grand jury and not having to go any further. In clear cut cases, the DA doesn't take it with much enthusiasm, but you're still experiencing a lot of stress and spending tens of thousands of dollars. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
Thank you, Sir. Here we do not have a grand jury system. If the Crown Prosecution Service think that you have a case to answer, and there is evidence that you maliciously did somebody to death, rather than by being engaged in a fight for your life, you WILL be charged with murder, usually reduced to manslaughter, but in 99% of the cases, it is thrown out before it can go to court. As in the USA, the words 'I feared for my life and that of my wife/child/husband and did all I could to save their lives' have as much resonance here as they do in the USA. | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't penetrating trauma to the thoracic region a reason to NOT perform CPR? Doesn't it serve to push what little blood remains out thereby accelerating exsanguination and death? Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Raptorman |
That right there is a good cop. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
'Has he lost much blood?' 'Nope, most it's right there, beside, 'im.' | |||
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| Ammoholic |
You say that like in the case of this individual that would have been a bad thing.  | |||
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| Only dead fish go with the flow |
tatortodd and tacfoley - I'm behind enemy lines in NJ where they're much less tolerant of using a firearm in SD than Texas. Hell, they don't want you to even own a firearm here. Having said that, I'm very confident stating that if I shot a masked, armed intruder that forced their way into my home, I would not be arrested. Of course, there would be an investigation, but I would not be arrested by default. That's what we're discussing here. We're not discussing shooting someone in public when the facts aren't immediately clear. My brother lives in Maryland - another State that doesn't care for the 2A. Not long ago, the police were going door-to-door to notify residents of a string of burglaries in the area. During his conversation with them, the police told him that if he finds an intruder in his home to shoot them. They added that he should try not to shoot them in the back. People are rightfully concerned about prosecution but the first point of contact during a incident such as this will be police officers and detectives. Their report is going to carry some weight and I believe they're generally on the side of the homeowner. | |||
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