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Irksome Whirling Dervish |
I used to prosecute traffic tickets as an intern during law school and this came up from time to time. Each preggers mom who tried it lost because: 1. HOV or carpool lanes require the occupants to be separate and distinct people sitting in the car by themselves, and 2. Your child needs to be in a state approved car seat. A womb or test tube doesn't count. Whenever you saw a preggers lady with the glimmer in her eye you knew it was coming and the look upon conviction was equally precious. | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
The Best result that could come of this... | |||
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Still finding my way |
Was the fetus occupying another seat in her vehicle? Did the fetus decide to car pool that day rather than to drive itself into work in a separate car? No? Then stfu Karen and take your dumbass of the day award and pay the ticket. | |||
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I Deal In Lead |
You're right. The law can't have it both ways. Either a 34 week fetus is a living being or it isn't. So if you're going to make the argument it's a living being in abortion arguments, you have to also agree that it's a living being in this case. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Wait... what? She doesn't sound like a "pro-abortionist bitch" to me. Having said that, Abolish HOV lanes. No reason to have them. Traffic would flow better without them. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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The problem with flashlight boy's example of the car seat requirement is that would open the door for a pregnant woman to be ticketed for transporting a child not in an approved car seat. How could the law possibly hold the position that a car seat is required for a living child passenger in an HOV lane but not outside of it? I can also imagine a scenario where someone responsible for vehicular homicide involving a pregnant women could be charged with two counts. | |||
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There is nothing new about that, 38 states have "fetal homicide" laws and in 29 of those states the laws apply from conception. https://www.ncsl.org/research/...cide-state-laws.aspx | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
It seems obvious to me she is. She's upset about the new Texas law so is doing this to make a show. "You can't have it both ways, Texas!" is what she's saying. Don't buy her shtick. The irony is she thinks we care about HOV lanes. We don't. Abolish them. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Threaddrift: We have both the enclosed & the 'express' (double white line) lanes here in Houston. The enclosed HOV I've never had a problem with & have used to avoid traffic in/out of downtown. The express lanes are more of a non-enforced suggestion & I see often used a passing lanes. Cars freely just merge in/out of it as they please, as if it was just another lane of traffic. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Ahh... subterfuge? Maybe... Or maybe she just wants to get out of a ticket? Either way, Abolish HOV lanes. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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She’s just being a pain in the ass because she didn’t like the SCOTUS ruling so she has to get her 15 minutes of fame and a big hurrah from the abortionists. Everyone knows the intent of the law is to reduce traffic by carpooling. Now everyone will have e to rewrite the laws to be more specific because of this Karen. | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
She's angry at the Supreme Court and especially the State for its pro-life law so she's trying to shove it back in their face with this childish nonsense. Nothing more. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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I haven no problem with laws having to be rewritten so they are actually clear and logical. It's not like legislators have anything better to do, considering none of them earn their pay now. | |||
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Indeed! That we are even having this conversation is further evidence our society has become increasingly overburdened with legislative minutia. HOV lanes were conceived (pardon the pun) by state's representatives as a ruse to demonstrate to their leftist constituency they were doing something meaningful for the environment. I'm surprised the antiquated HOV lane concept has not evolved into a No SUV Lane or an Electric Vehicles Only lane scheme. | |||
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quarter MOA visionary |
It's not that all bad of a case for. Perhaps a good test case or at least a clarification of the law. Nothing wrong with a legitimate challenge of the the law. If they can make a bazillian genders, sexes and whatever out of nothing this is not all that crazy. I don't care one way or another but it does deserve a look, IMO. | |||
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Fire begets Fire |
What if you identify as: “commuters”? I think I really believe it "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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Nope. I like to run my motorcycle in HOV lanes which are usually free of slow traffic. ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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| Irksome Whirling Dervish |
The approved car seat rules applies to all lanes, HOV or otherwise, city streets too. | |||
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They're after my Lucky Charms! |
HOV lanes in the DC area are also 'express lanes' that you can travel with your EZPass. And it is all about the revenue. Pre-EZPass, there were a half dozen state and county cops along the side of 66 hoping to catch those unfortunate drivers who started on the road when it was open, but God help you if the clock strikes midnight and you are 500m from the end of the HOV zone. But now with EZPass, there are cameras all over the place. I am rooting for the woman because she found a loophole, and I hate it when law enforcement is focused on getting fines. Lord, your ocean is so very large and my divos are so very f****d-up Dirt Sailors Unite! | |||
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Every time she takes a bath or goes swimming she technically a submarine. 10 years to retirement! Just waiting! | |||
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