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Video speaks for itself. That kid could play linebacker. Here: | ||
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Funny Man |
Two local JUCO teams. Pitcher was suspended 4 games by the league. Runner who hit the HR was suspended 2 games for taunting the pitcher prior to the form tackle. Several players suspended from the dugout that ran onto the field. Pitcher was also dismissed from his team. ______________________________ “I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” ― John Wayne | |||
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| Dances With Tornados |
Dang! That reminds me of the Texas high school football player who, after being ejected from the game and left the field, ran back on and blindside leveled the Ref. Ref never saw him coming and was pretty much screwed up as a result. This was in early December 2020. Emmanuel Duron, age 18, was charged with a Class A Felony. His team was removed from the playoffs. Anger issues, poor self control, the videos live forever on the internet, what a great way to screw up your life at the age of 18. . | |||
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| Funny Man |
Certainly there is no excuse……..but….there are certainly two sides to the story. Many here, myself included, had no problem with Mike Tyson pummeling an asshat on an airplane. So how much disrespect does one have to endure before dropping the hammer on an asshole? What did the runner say to the pitcher as he rounded the bases to get a 2 game suspension himself for taunting? ______________________________ “I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” ― John Wayne | |||
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| I Am The Walrus |
Notice the low level of support from the teammates of the pitcher, they probably don't like the asshole themselves. If he was a good teammate, that bench would've cleared. _____________ | |||
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I Deal In Lead |
It all depends on who you're talking to. Some people will say you should turn the other cheek and ignore it, take the high ground. I say fake him into a swing and then wail on him. | |||
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As someone who's played college baseball and coached 100's of youth baseball games, that was absolutely reprehensible. That pitcher would have never played for me again had I been the coach. These aren't children at the JUCO level, so there is absolutely zero excuse for that behavior. I've personally witnessed a player on one of the high school prep teams I used to help out with hold his temper until after a game at which point he went and found the kid who IMO purposely stepped on him at second base, and he beat the snot out him. But during a game, you ignore taunting because you're taught (or should be) by your coaches to be better than that. Of course good coaches also put an end to BS player taunting as soon as it pops up. It really appears that coaching as a whole has really gone downhill over the last 10 to 15 years. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss  |
Agreed. I'd ban him for life. Unfortunately, uncivilized behavior is becoming the norm. You don't get to beat the hell out of someone just because they pissed you off. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
I would have delivered a much more severe sanction to the pitcher were I the commissioner of JUCO baseball. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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As a pitcher, I get my opportunity next time the taunter comes to the plate.  __________________ "Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician." -Jeff Cooper | |||
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I pitched. It is called a fast ball high and inside. It gets their attention. | |||
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Void Where Prohibited |
Yup. A little 'chin music' ... "If Gun Control worked, Chicago would look like Mayberry, not Thunderdome" - Cam Edwards | |||
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| Funny Man |
The counter argument to this is, particularly in the age of social media, people have come to believe they can say whatever disrespectful shit they want and there are no consequences. Civility implies restraint and the instigator bears responsibility as well. Most men I know have a limit as what they will allow and past that limit it's time to throw hands. ______________________________ “I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” ― John Wayne | |||
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| The success of a solution usually depends upon your point of view |
How do you compare a player in a professionally managed sporting event attacking another player with an altercation in public on an airplane between a celebrity and the drunken twatwaffle who assaulted him? Do you think Mike should have waited for the umpire to show up and make the call? “We truly live in a wondrous age of stupid.” - 83v45magna "I think it's important that people understand free speech doesn't mean free from consequences societally or politically or culturally." -Pranjit Kalita, founder and CIO of Birkoa Capital Management | |||
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Whatever happened to good sportmanship? Dead and buried next to common sense? Instead of teamwork, collaboration, social behavior and other good things like having fun, sports today just focuses on winning and feeding ego's. Blech. Why so serious? "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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I agree, bad behavior, even if only verbal, should have consequences. If you can't take the consequences, adjust your behavior. I believe in words and stick and stones. But if you're intending to piss someone off by what you say, don't be surprised if they actually get pissed off and respond. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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| Funny Man |
I think Mike did what the guy deserved but we have a lengthy video showing what led to the physical response. We don’t have that with the baseball incident and all I am saying is there are two sides to the story. I am around baseball more than most. Even at the high school level it is shocking the level of disrespectful things that some players will taunt opposing players with….seriously vile things complete with researching opponents girlfriends and moms through social media prior to a matchup in order to call out by name what “I did with your sister/mom last night”. In this instance the runner said enough to earn a suspension for what he said to the pitcher. Apparently it crossed a line the pitcher was not willing to let pass. To say one should be banned for life and the other should get a good talking to about what he said is less than equitable. Let’s say the pitcher sticks with baseball convention. He lets the runner complete his trot around the bases and promptly ear holes the next batter with a fastball (as has already been suggested in this thread), the benches clear, a couple of punches are thrown, lots of pushing and shoving then the game goes on. The pitcher likely gets a couple games suspension for delivering a potentially life altering pitch at a batter’s head and everyone is fine with it but tackling the actual offender should earn him a lifetime ban? ______________________________ “I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” ― John Wayne | |||
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Bet the base runner is going to think twice before opening his yap. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
None of those are acceptable. Pitching a brushback, just invites retaliation from the other pitcher, even if the pitcher who threw the first brushback doesn't bat - someone else get to pay the price as a proxy. So no tackling batters. No retaliatory pitches. All are unacceptable. AND no "over-the-line" taunting. I know that is harder to define, but guess what? Taunting cannot harm another person like a tackle or a fastball to the head or wrist. So taunting is qualitatively different. But if taunting is out of bounds, sanction the taunting player, too. It is a general principal of our society that we don't tolerate physical attacks in response to purely verbal insults. Obviously, some don't accept that, and think that at some point you get to take a swing at someone who insults you (or your bald-headed wife). But that is not really our rule. Again, there is a sound reason for that - the insult wounds your ego, but causes no physical harm. The two are totally different. We expect other members of society to be able to moderate their emotional response to mere insult. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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The Unmanned Writer |
Nope. Next batter pays for it with a fastball to the ribs. After the batter takes his base and the pitcher is tossed, new pitcher pitches some chin music. Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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