Liberty Safe Co gives access to customer's safe at request of FBI
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Originally posted by a1abdj: You can do that because you had the MRC to begin with. That happens if you buy a loose lock. When we install a new lock we provide that information to the lock's owner and instruct them to keep it in a secure location outside of the safe it was installed on. The manufacturers who have already installed locks on safes are generally not going to provide those to you, and most people up until the other day had no idea that such a thing even existed.
Now that I can see.
I almost had that happen with my first home alarm system. I'd read up on the thing and found there was an Installer's Code. I demanded it of the alarm system company that installed it, as well as a copy of the key to the alarm panel box. They balked. I persisted. They balked. I kept at them.
They eventually caved
Still: That's not the same as a One Great Secret Master Code To Rule Them All, as some are suggesting exists.
(Btw: I subsequently found out the alarm company used the same Installer Code on every panel they installed!)
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September 08, 2023, 02:12 PM
trapper189
I’m sorry, I was trying to edit that post and fat fingered the quote button instead. That’s what I get for trying to follow things and post in between picking up and dropping off my kids.
I was going to add that this has been an educational thread that wouldn’t have happened if Liberty hadn’t screwed the pooch.
September 08, 2023, 04:05 PM
Fly-Sig
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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
(Btw: I subsequently found out the alarm company used the same Installer Code on every panel they installed!)
Our custom home has electronic door locks. They were set to 1013, and we were slow to reprogram them because the builder needed access to finish a few things, and we were both traveling a lot for work (pre-pandemic) so workers were frequently in while we were away. Since we would have to give out a code to them anyhow I was waiting to change the codes.
One night I was watching a film called "The Purge" where the main character's family home security system code was set to ... 1013. In the movie a murderous mob attacks the family, with all kinds of mayhem.
That was a really bad joke on the part of the lock installer. Needless to say I immediately changed all the codes including the master reset code.
September 09, 2023, 05:44 AM
kz1000
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September 09, 2023, 11:15 AM
smschulz
Some interesting lock information:
Reenforces why I always preferred mechanical lock.
September 09, 2023, 11:58 AM
parabellum
So, the bottom line is that the securest route is a mechanical lock with a combination set after you take delivery of the safe (or the lock, if you are installing a replacement lock).
While it would be the absolute securest if you, yourself set the combination, it's a bit tricky for the layman, and as a1abdj indicated, it's best to let a professional locksmith make the change. This route is safer than most people might think. Imagine that you've had a mechanical lock installed on your safe by a professional locksmith. You provided to him the combination you wish to use. He sets this combination for you. A month or later, you come home and the contents of your safe is gone, but the safe has not been cut or pried open. The first thing you're going to tell the police is the name of your locksmith.
It's just not worth it to a professional- to sacrifice his career and end up in jail and with a felony record, so unless someone is plain nuts, you don't have to worry.
However, if you don't have your safe bolted down, there's nothing stopping our dishonest locksmith from removing the safe from your home and then opening it elsewhere. But, again, this is highly unlikely.
And none of the above matters if someone cuts into the sidewall of your safe, or peels the door open, and it's easier than you may think. The thing about forced entry is that it takes time, and less importantly but perhaps still important based upon particular conditions, it's noisy. What helps in this respect is a monitored alarm system. If they don't have enough time to force the safe open before you or the police get to your home, all they'll manage to do is make a mess.
Mechanical lock set by professional locksmith
Safe bolted down, preferably to a slab
Monitored alarm system with (preferably) cameras that connect via a cellular network, battery-powerd or battery backup
(If the safe is not bolted down) Apple Air Tag concealed in the safe, either under lining or perhaps at the lip of the safe, where it cannot be seen, only felt.
September 09, 2023, 01:01 PM
sjtill
I had missed a1abdj’s earlier comment with links to SAVTA members and recommendation to use them. There are several near me, so I will call one to change combination. Thanks, a1abdj.
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September 09, 2023, 01:45 PM
Gustofer
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Originally posted by parabellum:
(If the safe is not bolted down) Apple Air Tag concealed in the safe, either under lining or perhaps at the lip of the safe, where it cannot be seen, only felt.
I guess I don't know too much about these things. Will they transmit through the walls of a safe?
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September 09, 2023, 03:26 PM
parabellum
quote:
Originally posted by Gustofer:
quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
(If the safe is not bolted down) Apple Air Tag concealed in the safe, either under lining or perhaps at the lip of the safe, where it cannot be seen, only felt.
I guess I don't know too much about these things. Will they transmit through the walls of a safe?
The only sure-fire way to thwart Precision Finding is by wrapping Apple's tracker in flesh. Holding an AirTag fully enclosed within a hand and in the crook of a bent arm or leg, blocks communication so well that the iPhone must be placed directly beside that spot to trigger the Find My app to finally chirp happily and show the message 'here' on the screen.
September 09, 2023, 07:54 PM
trapper189
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Originally posted by a1abdj:. But here's the additional thing with electronic locks. They make devices that can bypass them faster than a phone call to a manufacturer (again with some exceptions). These devices are available to law enforcement and security professionals. Amateur/homemade versions also exist.
Is it safe to assume these devices connect to the wiring that goes from the keypad to the lock?
September 09, 2023, 08:15 PM
Skull Leader
Here is a video where he mentions briefly how it works.
September 09, 2023, 08:21 PM
parabellum
There's about to be a severe shortage of mechanical safe locks in this country, and your locksmith will have a full schedule for quite some time.
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September 09, 2023, 09:13 PM
Jupiter
Adding an Airtag can't hurt.
I changed the combination to my safe a couple of times over the years. The last time I tried to change the combination, I made a mistake and had to call a locksmith for help. The locksmith said someone in a neighboring county had their safe stolen after crooks ran a chain through a window and pulled the safe through the wall.
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September 09, 2023, 09:59 PM
BB61
On Guns Utah today, they had a LEO that said ALL the gun safe manufacturers respond like Liberty did.
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September 09, 2023, 10:20 PM
1s1k
Adding an AirTag is a good idea but you need to remove the speaker. Same if you put on in your car or many other places.
If a thief steals your item with an AirTag in it and they have an iPhone they will be able to see that there is an AirTag. They can then force it to beep making finding it very simple.
There are YouTube videos showing you how to remove the speaker.
September 09, 2023, 10:23 PM
a1abdj
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Is it safe to assume these devices connect to the wiring that goes from the keypad to the lock?
Yes.
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they had a LEO that said ALL the gun safe manufacturers respond like Liberty did.
I suspect that several would, or perhaps many. I doubt all of them have or would.
In that case, wiring a magnetic switch or three into the harness such that the lock doesn’t get power unless magnets are placed in the proper places on the outside of the safe would defeat any magic black boxes. A hidden kill switch.
September 10, 2023, 05:46 PM
229DAK
Liberty now has a page on their website you can fill out to "authorize Liberty Safe to remove any combination or reset code associated with my safe from their records". I gotta wonder if they will actually do it. How will I really know? How can it be truly confirmed? I don't trust these bastards.
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September 10, 2023, 05:54 PM
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September 10, 2023, 06:19 PM
DaBigBR
I'm honestly surprised they even asked Liberty. Historically, we'll ask the owner for the combination and if they don't provide it, the safe gets cut open.
