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Lawyers prepared to fight Mandatory Vaccinations?
August 23, 2021, 06:49 PM
konata88Lawyers prepared to fight Mandatory Vaccinations?
I'm suspecting that I may have had a mild case early / mid last year. But not sure. And I didn't get any testing.
At this point, would I still test positive? Or is any indication that I had it gone by now?
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nhracecraftkonata - There are 'Anti-Body Tests' which of course, you'd have to pay for, as they're not diagnostic and as I understand, not inexpensive.
That said, the discussion is getting off into the weeds here and the OP specifically requested that the focus of this thread not deviate from legal strategy against Mandatory Vaccinations.
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August 23, 2021, 09:30 PM
kimber1911Some good questions Konata88, but nhracecraft is right.
This thread is board-line as we already have other threads related to COVID.
With the news today of the FDA Fully Approving Phizer today it is very likely many of us are or will be facing a decision in which there is no easy answer or clear course to take.
Legal options for fighting mandates, class action lawsuits, non-profit (like the ALCU or the ACLJ) or others where maybe we could join in on a lawsuit is the information I am hoping we all can share here.
Legal strength of various arguments is also beneficial.
So far their has been some very informative posts discussing legal options.
The posts are greatly appreciated.
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August 23, 2021, 11:20 PM
thumperfbcOur state health department issued an order that mandates that I get vaccinated by some date in October. The Union I belong to is part of PORAC, an organization that lobbies for peace officers in the state. They’ve stated they will fight the mandate but also stated they expect to loose based upon several long-standing precedence cases.
As of now there is a religious and medical exemption in place. I’ll be doing some reading. Further, I don’t see my employees attempting to enforce it until after the recall election, and I know for a fact they don’t want to enforce it at all. Of course, the state is using the billy club of funding. Nobody knows if that is a bluff or not. I’m a little surprised that that Lil Gavin’s goons are pushing these mandates so close to the recall.
I guess they are comfortable with their fraud voting system.
August 24, 2021, 07:45 AM
mrvmaxquote:
Originally posted by thumperfbc:
Our state health department issued an order that mandates that I get vaccinated by some date in October. The Union I belong to is part of PORAC, an organization that lobbies for peace officers in the state. They’ve stated they will fight the mandate but also stated they expect to loose based upon several long-standing precedence cases.
As of now there is a religious and medical exemption in place. I’ll be doing some reading. Further, I don’t see my employees attempting to enforce it until after the recall election, and I know for a fact they don’t want to enforce it at all. Of course, the state is using the billy club of funding. Nobody knows if that is a bluff or not. I’m a little surprised that that Lil Gavin’s goons are pushing these mandates so close to the recall.
I guess they are comfortable with their fraud voting system.
Along that line, any hope for exemption due to religious beliefs? A Sikh can wear his head covering in our military due to religious beliefs so why can't this fall into an exemption due to religious beliefs?
August 24, 2021, 07:54 AM
PatriotFor those in PA, here is the page for info on vaccine exemptions. Lots of good info if you are considering finding an exemption to the growing push on mandatory.
http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/pennsylvania.htm
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August 24, 2021, 10:13 AM
sredingquote:
Originally posted by konata88:
I'm suspecting that I may have had a mild case early / mid last year. But not sure. And I didn't get any testing.
At this point, would I still test positive? Or is any indication that I had it gone by now?
Go give blood. The Red Cross runs every sample through an antibody test because they're interested in convalescent plasma as a treatment. Sign up to do it every 52 days - it's a win/win in my opinion. You're giving blood to someone that needs it and you're getting an antibody test in 'trade'. The results are logged in their app and can be easily accessed.
While we thought that covid went through our house a couple times - I've yet to have a positive antibody test despite my wife having an illness (that we all got) where she lost her sense of taste/smell. Turns out run of the mill colds still do exist.
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August 24, 2021, 10:35 AM
Balzé Halzéquote:
Originally posted by sreding:
While we thought that covid went through our house a couple times - I've yet to have a positive antibody test despite my wife having an illness (that we all got) where she lost her sense of taste/smell. Turns out run of the mill colds still do exist.
Shawn
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August 24, 2021, 12:02 PM
HRKGab sent out a piece on vaccination exception forms for religious reasons, they gave a link in the email
https://news.gab.com/2021/07/2...tion-documents-here/August 24, 2021, 02:41 PM
Flash-LBAs LoboGunLeather said, you may win in the courts but win or lose, it'll take a long, long time.
Be prepared to lay out a million or two and be prepared to lose.
August 24, 2021, 11:31 PM
thumperfbcquote:
Originally posted by mrvmax:
quote:
Originally posted by thumperfbc:
Our state health department issued an order that mandates that I get vaccinated by some date in October. The Union I belong to is part of PORAC, an organization that lobbies for peace officers in the state. They’ve stated they will fight the mandate but also stated they expect to loose based upon several long-standing precedence cases.
As of now there is a religious and medical exemption in place. I’ll be doing some reading. Further, I don’t see my employees attempting to enforce it until after the recall election, and I know for a fact they don’t want to enforce it at all. Of course, the state is using the billy club of funding. Nobody knows if that is a bluff or not. I’m a little surprised that that Lil Gavin’s goons are pushing these mandates so close to the recall.
I guess they are comfortable with their fraud voting system.
Along that line, any hope for exemption due to religious beliefs? A Sikh can wear his head covering in our military due to religious beliefs so why can't this fall into an exemption due to religious beliefs?
The religious exemption exists, for now. Apparently it’s just a self-signed form, or so I read. I haven’t looked into it yet, but due to a PEG allergy I suspect I won’t need the religious exemption.
August 25, 2021, 09:41 AM
ExpatIn the link is a substantial compilation of of articles, studies, resources, letter templates and papers against vaccine mandates and COVID-19 restrictions.
Kathy Dopp CompilationAugust 29, 2021, 04:20 PM
Legal Beaglequote:
Originally posted by kimber1911:
What does the SIGforum hive know on lawyers prepared to fight mandates on vaccination?
We have two girls in college and I would like to be prepared for the very real potential of them being mandated to take the jab.
Please keep this discussion purely informative on how to legally fight these intrusive mandates.
Please Do Not deviate from this focus.
You are very likely to see the same kind of reasoning behind mandatory vaccination for spinal meningitis. Unlike public schools where school powers are limited by the right to a free appropriate public education, schools and universities enjoy a great deal of latitude in developing policies and procedures to safeguard “health and welfare”.
Even if the school were to push back, it is likely that the Department of Education will condition the receipt of Title IV federal funding on a vaccination/immunization program.
I don’t see a good path forward for student litigants.
August 29, 2021, 04:26 PM
Lefty SigPolio peaked at around 36 cases per 100,000 US citizens, and a death rate of about 2.
https://ourworldindata.org/gra...-states?country=~USAComparatively not that much different than the WuFlu to challenge any Polio related precedents.