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Be not wise in thine own eyes |
What does the SIGforum hive know on lawyers prepared to fight mandates on vaccination? We have two girls in college and I would like to be prepared for the very real potential of them being mandated to take the jab. Please keep this discussion purely informative on how to legally fight these intrusive mandates. Please Do Not deviate from this focus. “We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” Pres. Select, Joe Biden “Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 | ||
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Check out commoner law website. When I am mandated, I will be using their procedure, I will stand on my God given Rights. They are having success in SF. There is a court case being heard on Wednesday where a group of San Francisco county and city workers are suing using common law. This will prove if we have a free country, or if we are truly a failed country. | |||
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Info Guru |
They will need to be prepared to attempt overturning several SCOTUS decisions to get there. The Supremes have ruled specifically that states and schools can require vaccines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...chusetts?wprov=sfti1 It may be hard to find a basis for challenge based on those rulings - hope they can find a path. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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I Deal In Lead |
And let's not forget another SCOTUS ruling, Jacobson v. Massachusetts which dealt with a smallpox vaccine which stated: “the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.” The bottom line is that I strongly doubt that anyone is going to get rid of mandatory vaccinations. There's too much legal precedent.This message has been edited. Last edited by: parabellum, | |||
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Thank you Very little |
Find a college that won't force them to take the Jab, be less expensive and a better choice. | |||
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Be not wise in thine own eyes |
They are not being forced to at this point. They are already registered moved in and have started class. Finding another college is not a viable alternative at this point. 1. If mandate comes they will try to take a Religious Objection. 2. If the school refuses to accept a Religious Objection, then I want to be prepared to fight the mandate. Looking to prepare myself and believe I am not the only member of SIGforum with interest in fighting mandates which have or may come down. “We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” Pres. Select, Joe Biden “Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 | |||
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Semper Fidelis Marines |
following thanks, shawn Semper Fi, ---->>> EXCUSE TYPOS<<<--- | |||
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Irksome Whirling Dervish |
Good luck with that argument. It will require overturning a lot of cases and the chances of your daughter prevailing are slim to none, unless she has a legit medical problem or religious exemption claim. Legit is the buzzword and not contrived just on account of COVID. The row has been plowed many times already, starting with necessary vaccinations before kids are allowed into school. This argument is no different. | |||
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It’s beyond ridiculous that young healthy people would have to be forced to take this. In the case for women I would be even more suspect. There has been proof that 7% of thee vaccine leave the muscle in the arm and circulates in the body. In women it tends to gather in the ovaries. Can this cause a reproductive issue in the future? No one knows and I think that’s the point. | |||
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One would think there are differences between being mandated to take a polio vaccine that went through all the trials than a flu vaccine that hasn't, approval or not. As far as the commonerlaw website. It reads more like a sovereign Citizen speak than lawyer speak. Then I found this at the bottom of the page: " We are not attorneys and do not give legal advice. All training and services fulfill educational purposes only." Hedley Lamarr: Wait, wait, wait. I'm unarmed. Bart: Alright, we'll settle this like men, with our fists. Hedley Lamarr: Sorry, I just remembered . . . I am armed. | |||
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Little ray of sunshine |
Yup, the law is against you on this. Solid, long-established precedents. There were equally fervent ant-vaxxers who tried court challenges 100 years ago, and they were shot down in flames by the courts. This will be a real uphill battle. You might almost think that vaccine mandates are constitutional, given how unanimous the courts have been for such a long period of time. That Commoner stuff is bullshit, and Shaql said it is right. It appears to be very closely related to sovereign-citizen nonsense, and a means for the Commoner people to extract $15 from you for nothing but a bunch of ineffective mumbo jumbo in return. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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What a difference a word may make? The SCOTUS ruling specified "great dangers" and am wondering what criteria passes as a great danger? Does the wuflu meet the criteria? With a 99% recovery rate? When protocols based on Ivermectin and such are proving successful? When the jabs, without the corruption pervasive in government, would not have been approved, perhaps not even for emergency use? Small pox, polio, the plague, TB - perhaps these are generally considered great dangers by a general consensus. The wuflu, perhaps not so much. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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Mistake Not... |
I get calls on this daily. The reality is you need to be prepared to find someone willing to fight and lose at the trial court level, the appellate level, the state supreme court level and then get to the Supreme Court. This someone will either be you, in which case you can be prepared to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, or a non-profit. If you don't have that kind of money to throw at three nigh guaranteed losses to get just a chance at the fourth, and last, court, then you should start looking NOW for some non-profit (like the ALCU or the ACLJ) to be your bannerman. ___________________________________________ Life Member NRA & Washington Arms Collectors Mistake not my current state of joshing gentle peevishness for the awesome and terrible majesty of the towering seas of ire that are themselves the milquetoast shallows fringing my vast oceans of wrath. Velocitas Incursio Vis - Gandhi | |||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
It's an uphill battle. But it must and so it will be fought. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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I am done with the courts. Send your stormtroopers to my house, I dare you. The "Boz" | |||
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Little ray of sunshine |
Those are the arguments to make, I think. The precedents are strong for diseases like smallpox or polio. Perhaps there is a successful argument that this disease is not dangerous enough to allow such mandates. I agree that the whole world has overreacted to the dangers of Covid 19, but I don't know if it is sufficiently less dangerous that the courts will view a mandate (should there be one) as illegitimate. And don't get too far ahead of yourself. I don't think there will be government mandates for this vaccine. I think even those who would like to do that recognize that they won't survive politically, and so will not do it. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Shall Not Be Infringed |
Well, this guy won his case against an employer's 'Mandatory Vaccination' policy... Specifically, his case was that he'd already had COVID & recovered, and as such the 'Vaccine' put him at unnecessary risk. From the COVID thread:
____________________________________________________________ If Some is Good, and More is Better.....then Too Much, is Just Enough !! Trump 2024....Make America Great Again! "May Almighty God bless the United States of America" - parabellum 7/26/20 Live Free or Die! | |||
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Be not wise in thine own eyes |
^^^^^^ That’s some good information. My youngest is 18 and has had COVID. My hope is that this will be a non-issue with the college, however with our Gov. Cooper, I am not so certain. Therefore this thread will help with my thought process if the need arises. “We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” Pres. Select, Joe Biden “Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 | |||
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if one has had the wuflu, for how long can it be determined? indefinitely? or do all signs that you've had it go away after some amount of time (how much time)? "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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Shall Not Be Infringed |
Uhhh, medical records of a positive test and your Doctor attesting that you've recovered would seem sufficient. That's what is required by the TSA in lieu of a recent Negative test to fly. There is no data that purports that the Vaccine is any more effective than the natural immunity of someone that's recovered from COVID. In fact, it's likely the contrary... ____________________________________________________________ If Some is Good, and More is Better.....then Too Much, is Just Enough !! Trump 2024....Make America Great Again! "May Almighty God bless the United States of America" - parabellum 7/26/20 Live Free or Die! | |||
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