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Originally posted by reloader-1:

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Latinos are the progeny of Spanish conquistadors like Cortez and the women they didn’t massacre. So invasion and conquest is in their heritage if citizens of the United States have it in our heritage.

Umm no.

There are Latinos who are 100% indigenous, many who are very mixed (indigenous American, African and European), and tens of millions who have zero or near zero indigenous heritage.

Italians, Irish, Germans, French, Scandinavians, British, Spanish and Portuguese all immigrated into Latin America as well as North America.

For example, my family traces back to the 1530’s, and we are ethnically European (96%+ via DNA). So, a very very tiny percentage of people in Latin America might trace back in the way you describe, but that would be like saying everyone in the US traces back from John Smith and his boys grabbing all the women from Pocahontas’ tribe .

Right. My point was illustrating what is said of us by using the same simplistic broad brush on Latinos.

I am going to take a different approach:

When you are rich & famous & infamous marriages are more of a transaction.


He is 62, with a known volcanic temper. He has had several infamous eruptions on family and strangers alike. He has the $ and fame (if that is what the chick seeks).

She is 36, and not bad looking. She bore him 5 healthy children. If she doesn’t ho around nor bankrupt him and tolerates his temper then maybe a delusional Spanish identity is worth it for him to indulge?

When you meet Argentinians that are so obviously German (blonde blue eye) but are "hispanic" you realize how absurd all the obsession over race and ethnicity is. My company clearly preferentially promoted an Argentinian "Hispanic" for the usual reasons, except his surname and ethnicity are obviously German.

His ex-wife, who I met randomly and accidentally in Mexico without knowing it at first, is "Mexican" but ethnically she is European from the south of France/Spain and not "Native Latin".

Many of the Brazilians I know best are ethnically Italian. And if you mix Italian food with a Brazilian Churruscaria you're going to eat well! And I know a Peruvian that is ethnically Japanese, and met some Japanese Brazilians.

All humans come from a common ancestor and we are all the same species. Differences in appearance are very very subtle genetic differences that either occurred randomly or helped us adapt to the different environments humans settled in. I thought we were actually getting past all this, but now race is front and center again and accused to be the defining characteristic of humans....

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:. . . All humans come from a common ancestor and we are all the same species. Differences in appearance are very very subtle genetic differences that either occurred randomly or helped us adapt to the different environments humans settled in. I thought we were actually getting past all this, but now race is front and center again and accused to be the defining characteristic of humans....

Genetic race is one thing. Culture is different. One could be a genetic Italian, but be born and raised in Argentina. So are they Italian or Latino?

However, it wouldn't surprise me if soon people can be race/culture fluid, just as they can now be gender fluid. The gender/race/culture you choose tomorrow doesn't have to be the same one you chose yesterday. Such is enlightened.

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Originally posted by reloader-1:
My apologies! How could I forget, the Japanese (and to a lesser degree, Chinese) immigration waves. There’s about 1.5 million Japanese Brazilians alone.

Yup, largest concentration of ethnic Japanese outside of Japan....Brazil.


Lets see, my history degree and street culture taught me:

Latino = Ethnically Italian, racially Caucasian
Hispanic = Ethnically Spanish, racially Caucasian
Penninsular = Spaniard born in Spain living in the New World, racially Caucasian
Criollo = Both parents ethnically Spanish or, other European born in New World, racially Caucasian
Mestizo = Ethnic mix of Spanish & native indigenous
Mulatto = Ethnic mix of Spanish & black African
Chicano = Ethnic Mexican, born and living in the US
Latinx = 'woke' Spanish speaker having an identity crises in 2020 while attempting to reinvent the Spanish language