I think it only applies to prostate cancer, but I am not certain about that.

As to what mboroman said about estrogen, that is accurate. There are a few things to consider. If you’re taking a hundred or two hundred mg of testosterone every week, and aren’t doing anything physical, you will definitely start to convert to estrogen.
If you are working out and your testosterone levels are high, you should cut back,
Unless your levels are very high for a long time, your testes will still produce testosterone. Remember, you’re taking a suppliment because they are underproducing to begin with.
In addition to testosterone, I take 1 mg of anastrozole twice a week. Anastrozole is an estrogen blocker. With regular blood tests and a doctor who knows what they’re doing, it’s easy to keep yourself in the range you should be in.

Do some studies on steroid use. You’re using the exact same thing. The difference is the dosage and some of the kinds you use. Essentially you’re supplementing hormones. The only real difference is that TRT is around 100 mg of testosterone a week. Using steroids to gain mass at the gym, in my last experience, is 700-1000 mg per week. Feel free to email me if you have questions. Some things I am not comfortable sharing in a forum that all the general public can read.

In addition to testosterone, I take 1 mg of anastrozole twice a week. Anastrozole is an estrogen blocker. With regular blood tests and a doctor who knows what they’re doing, it’s easy to keep yourself in the range you should be in.
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Anastrozole gave me headaches, worse in combination with PT141 or tadalafil.

I just got on TRT about 4 months ago. I'm 39 and my T was 124. So my body basically quit making the stuff. I had been suffering for years not knowing what was wrong with me. I wouldn't say clinical depression, but I was very much suppressed. Exceedingly tired, thought I had chronic fatigue. Sad thoughts all the time. Emotional. Muscle mass was wasting away and my libido went to zero. I felt like a broken down shell of a person I once was. I had little patients with my kids.

To say TRT has been life changing for me is not a hyperbole. My capacity both mentally and physically to do work has increased dramatically. I don't groan when my wife tells me to help do simple stuff anymore and I have enough energy now to lift at the gym. My optimism and positive thinking has skyrocketed. My libido is coming back. I hate taking medicine, I just didnt see anyway around this. I tried other things like supplements and working out to help raise my T naturally to no end. The shots fixed me. Make sure you are with someone who knows what they are doing. Horomones can be a bit of an art to manage. There is a great TRT Subredditt thats filled with helpful info you may want to look into. I am taking 200mg a week plus an AI to help block the estrogen.

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Originally posted by btanchors:
I think it only applies to prostate cancer, but I am not certain about that.

Thanks!

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Originally posted by Beancooker:
As to what mboroman said about estrogen, that is accurate. There are a few things to consider. If you’re taking a hundred or two hundred mg of testosterone every week, and aren’t doing anything physical, you will definitely start to convert to estrogen.
If you are working out and your testosterone levels are high, you should cut back,
Unless your levels are very high for a long time, your testes will still produce testosterone. Remember, you’re taking a suppliment because they are underproducing to begin with.
In addition to testosterone, I take 1 mg of anastrozole twice a week. Anastrozole is an estrogen blocker. With regular blood tests and a doctor who knows what they’re doing, it’s easy to keep yourself in the range you should be in.

Do some studies on steroid use. You’re using the exact same thing. The difference is the dosage and some of the kinds you use. Essentially you’re supplementing hormones. The only real difference is that TRT is around 100 mg of testosterone a week. Using steroids to gain mass at the gym, in my last experience, is 700-1000 mg per week. Feel free to email me if you have questions. Some things I am not comfortable sharing in a forum that all the general public can read.

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Thanks. If I end up doing TRT I will be sure that it is monitored closely with labs.

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Originally posted by JohnV:
I just got on TRT about 4 months ago. I'm 39 and my T was 124. So my body basically quit making the stuff. I had been suffering for years not knowing what was wrong with me. I wouldn't say clinical depression, but I was very much suppressed. Exceedingly tired, thought I had chronic fatigue. Sad thoughts all the time. Emotional. Muscle mass was wasting away and my libido went to zero. I felt like a broken down shell of a person I once was. I had little patients with my kids.

To say TRT has been life changing for me is not a hyperbole. My capacity both mentally and physically to do work has increased dramatically. I don't groan when my wife tells me to help do simple stuff anymore and I have enough energy now to lift at the gym. My optimism and positive thinking has skyrocketed. My libido is coming back. I hate taking medicine, I just didnt see anyway around this. I tried other things like supplements and working out to help raise my T naturally to no end. The shots fixed me. Make sure you are with someone who knows what they are doing. Horomones can be a bit of an art to manage. There is a great TRT Subredditt thats filled with helpful info you may want to look into. I am taking 200mg a week plus an AI to help block the estrogen.

Thanks for sharing and glad TRT is helping you feel so much better. You help reinforce the importance of using a provider that will make sure I would have my hormones managed carefully rather than "here is your stuff and good luck."

I’m on it as well. My ortho had been trying to get me on TRT for almost a decade. I’m in my 50’s and the back half of my 40’s I started having injury after injury.

I lift pretty hard at the gym, or did (I’m ready to go back after a horrible tendon tear, worst one to tear in the body IMO). NASM certified, been lifting since I was 17. But I don’t lift to be a meathead. I lift to have lean muscle mass on every muscle in the body because it save my life riding my sportbikes and MX bike, hard, fully armored and suited up. I did track days with a guy who high sided, landed on his chest, had a deflated or compressed lung, whatever that was called. He was in the ICU for a week after this wreck and the Dr. told him if he wasn’t in such good shape, he probably would have died. That layer of muscle mass created a cushion or cage for his body and it likely saved his life. He landed right on his chest from mid air aka a Superman high side. I had been dicking off from the gym for several years and after being there seeing that I got right back off my ass and have been committed in the gym, barring my injuries, for 20 years.

What first started happening to me was a tendon tear. The first was the tendon that attaches from the bicep to the forearm. I was doing curls and felt something bad. It wasn’t painful but you knew something wasn’t right. Like a rubber band, that was new, tight, on a money roll, instantly felt like an old, worn out rubber band where you can stretch it 3X as long. Stem cells fixed that, but it took a year. Next was tearing both labrums in the shoulders. One required BANKART surgery repair, but prior to going into the coma for surgery, my ortho injected both with stem cells. I came back from the repaired shoulder quicker than a professional athlete because I iced 10X what they told me, daily, and treated PT like I was going to die, doing 3-4X the amount of PT my PT clinic advised. I’d go in there for PT one day, memorize, then do it myself in the gym on my off-PT days. Then the other shoulder repaired with the stem cells and I didn’t require surgery on it any longer.

The last tendon tear was the worst to tear. Upper forearm, on the top, right below the elbow. This controls all hand strength and dexterity. I tore it so bad I had to buy plastic cutlery to eat. I literally couldn’t hold a metal fork, spoon, or knife, too painful. That’s the injury I’m coming back from now, took forever, and again, stem cells fixed it so no surgery.

So after this last tendon tear I finally did what my ortho has been trying to get me to do. I got my T and free T tested. I was at something like 400. But you have to keep in mind, I’m lifting every week day, pro level more or less, and eating like a nutritionist. I would get 180-220 gr of protein per day, no shit food, I mean training like an athlete and eating like a nutritionist, yet all these injuries popping up. So that 400-500 T level, you have to keep in mind that lifting creates T. My ortho took one look at my T results and said “We have to get you to 800-1000” somewhere in there. So I’m now on TRT because when your T levels are low, injuries. I bet without the lifting, and eating correct, my T levels would be much lower. I’ve been on it for approaching 18 months and my reluctance prior, I was I fucking HATE needles. Not my jam. I have syncope and it’s not mental either. My body, when blood is drawn, is fine for 1-2 vials. They take 4-5 or more, my body shuts down physically, I pass out. At first it’s light headed, then real light headed, then the lights go out. But in reality the weekly shot is not that big of a deal at all. I did do a stem cell injection to fix this latest tendon tear but having proper amounts of T in my body, finally, due to age, and being a wannabe athlete, well I think the proper T being in my body helped fixed this tendon just as much as the stem cells.

I did years of research, spoke to countless doctors, as well as long time TRT patients. When T levels are low, well it’s like estrogen for women IMO. It’s not good. Low T can cause all sorts of problems with the man’s body. Proper T levels, well I’ll give you an example. Good luck up Trump’s appointee, Kennedy, and that man is in his 70’s and find his workouts on You Tube. Look at his physical structure and what he is doing as a man in his 70’s. It’s nothing short of incredible. Injuries led me down this path as I know lower T levels caused my body to start breaking, injuries, etc. It’s not been a fun ride. I go back to lifting in weeks as I’m finishing up a studio in the house. Once that is finished I’ll be back lifting and I can chime in later on health results. I think once I’m lifting every day again, my normal, I think my T levels will increase to where they need to be and finally feel 10-20 years younger, start getting better sleep, more mental clarity, and just feel better as a human being and a man. My case for it was simple, I’m doing exercising, lifting, and my sports, I’m just getting older and doing things that are a young man’s game, yet like Clint Eastwood said, the old man is there I’m just not listening to him. I’ve seen enough men in their 50’s, 60’s, and 70’s, like Kennedy, to know I’m on the right path. I’m tired of the fucking injuries and want to get back to living my life how I want. Unfortunately everything I like to do in life, away from work, is physical. And I don’t want to give it up as I’ll die inside.

Get tested, obviously, T and free T. And do your own research. You will be on a very mild dose of Testosterone, you won’t be doing it meathead gym style, buying T and needles in some locker room or back alley. This has all been well vetted and there are a lot of men benefitting from the science. Research all the things that can happen to you and your body, organs, etc, due to low T. Then create your own Pros and Cons. I probably spent 1000+ hours on research before I gave in and said fuck it, I want to be healthy again, and strong.

Thanks for sharing that Prefontaine and what a journey and good for you for researching and doing what it takes to be healthy for your goals. Getting old sucks and if there are reasonable things we can do to extend our "productive" lives and quality of life for physical and mental health why not consider them. Very interesting on all the stem cell therapy you had and how well it worked and even avoided surgery. I know next to nothing about that but very impressive. Good luck getting back into lifting very soon again as you mentioned and I can imagine you are aching to do that.

Your motivation to intensely work out after your friends accident was very interesting. My motivation was my wife has been working out for years and bugging me to do so too. One day while in the urologist office I noticed how poor the health was of most of other men around my age coming in. One guy wearing shorts had pencil thin legs and others were coming in with canes and walkers and some looked like they had bowling bells inside their belly and hunched over posture. I know I was getting weaker and started having back pain so I told myself it was time to do something about it so dear wife made an appointment with her trainer and that started that. My trainer moved on after a year but by that time I was good to go on my own.

I had the attitude that well if I am here I am going to make the most of it and really push and challenge myself which I did which most would assume is a given but a whole lot of people at the gym are just going through the motions, especially seniors. Two years ago I was using the pull up assist machine with 130 pounds (I weigh 205 clothed) of assistance to do pull ups or chin ups. Today I did a set of five bodyweight chin ups each from dead hang to chin above bar (well number 5 was chin to bar), none of that mini partial reps crap LOL. It's great feeling stronger and looking fit. My wife is 6 years younger than me and I want to make sure I can keep up with her and hopefully never a burden on her being physically challenged.

Thanks again for sharing your experiences with me including about your TRT success with details and being sure to use the right doctor who will dose and monitor appropriately if that is what I need to do and unless my retest number goes back up to about where is was then it is very likely.