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Originally posted by Skins2881:
No I don't think he's arguing that it was a joke and the defendant didn't think it would be seriously taken. He's actually saying that's it's ok to solicit murder as long as no one takes you up on the offer.

That's what I attempted to draw out of him back a few pages (p.13) ... but he didn't respond.

He thinks he's defending the Bill of Rights, but he doesn't seem to understand that one man's rights end where they infringe on another man's rights.

Your Liberty To Swing Your Fist Ends Just Where My Nose Begins

https://quoteinvestigator.com/...5/liberty-fist-nose/

No lol... Your Rights ended where the Government said so.
10 round magazine limits in some States are proof of this.
And if You don’t see that, then you deserve a limitation.

No Dumbass, Your Rights End Where My Rights (and the Rights of Others) Begin!

I wonder if you were as well liked in Great Britain as you are here....Or were you forced to leave?

I guess we'll never know!


lol...


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Anyone else remember when Sunday was the standard day for meltdowns? It was a running joke at some point but it was also a tradition and I think there’s something to be said for traditions.
 
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Originally posted by 6guns:
Wonder how he made it this long as a member here?

Who said it’s him posting.
Now who’s account should I fuck with next?
You fucking morons.


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Who said it’s him posting.
Now who’s account should I fuck with next?
You fucking morons.

I'm impressed you can type.

 
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Interesting.




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Interesting.

Very keen observation. lol


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Y’all know we are having an increase of violence against law enforcement ranging from dumping water over them to outright murder Mad...ICE is under attack from the left for upholding the law. It doesn’t take a stretch of imagination for this cock sucker (I use this term literally) is adding fuel to the fire with his $500 bounty offer to kill an ICE agent (the “Squad” more than likely supports this). First I am surprised with his being acquitted...but I’m also surprised that any members of this Forum have posted what I (and others here) consider “support” for his words Confused”...

Well fuck me running...sadly I digress...God bless this officer and his family as they deal with this tragedy...we are in a war in this nation Frown

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ark...ment-deadly-incident


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I figured it out.

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Today I am reminded of this classic from Willie Nelson with regard to LB and FB.

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They say that
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Call it tonight
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The same old thing again...





 
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So I am curious, was he acquitted due to the fact that the court did not believe he really meant it?

So basically unless someone actually killed an ICE agent and cited his communication he is ok?

So what if someone did the same to him?

I guess it makes sense a bit since people have been saying the same about Trump and while they normally get a visit by the SS they are not often arrested unless the SS believes they pose a credible threat.
 
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Wow.

The lengths some will go to rather than admitting they're wrong.

No, you don't have the right to make threats. It's also worth pointing out that the Constitution doesn't grant the right of free speech, or to bare arms. It limits what the government may do in both cases.

We all have natural rights, but those are not unlimited. Point of fact, the limit is often when you intersect with someone else's rights. Such as your speech being free, until you threaten harm to someone else.

I'm disappointed in both members, but at least one is an adult.


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Originally posted by dewhorse:
So I am curious, was he acquitted due to the fact that the court did not believe he really meant it?

So basically unless someone actually killed an ICE agent and cited his communication he is ok?

So what if someone did the same to him?

I guess it makes sense a bit since people have been saying the same about Trump and while they normally get a visit by the SS they are not often arrested unless the SS believes they pose a credible threat.

I don't know. I could be wrong, but I don't think anybody ever advertised that they will pay others to kill the President. Other shit, yes, but they are not the same thing as what the asshole of the OP solicited.


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So I am curious, was he acquitted due to the fact that the court did not believe he really meant it?

So basically unless someone actually killed an ICE agent and cited his communication he is ok?

So what if someone did the same to him?

I guess it makes sense a bit since people have been saying the same about Trump and while they normally get a visit by the SS they are not often arrested unless the SS believes they pose a credible threat.

I don't know. I could be wrong, but I don't think anybody ever advertised that they will pay others to kill the President. Other shit, yes, but they are not the same thing as what the asshole of the OP solicited.


Agreed...just trying to understand why he was acquitted, was there a valid legal reason or was it due to the location of the trial and the bias of the court.
 
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Originally posted by dewhorse:
So I am curious, was he acquitted due to the fact that the court did not believe he really meant it?

So basically unless someone actually killed an ICE agent and cited his communication he is ok?

So what if someone did the same to him?

I guess it makes sense a bit since people have been saying the same about Trump and while they normally get a visit by the SS they are not often arrested unless the SS believes they pose a credible threat.

I don't know. I could be wrong, but I don't think anybody ever advertised that they will pay others to kill the President. Other shit, yes, but they are not the same thing as what the asshole of the OP solicited.


Agreed...just trying to understand why he was acquitted, was there a valid legal reason or was it due to the location of the trial and the bias of the court.


....jury of his peers.



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Agreed...just trying to understand why he was acquitted, was there a valid legal reason or was it due to the location of the trial and the bias of the court.


....jury of his peers.

A Boston jury. No way! Get out!


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Doesn't the presiding judge have the authority to override the jury? I seem to recall that in the past.





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Doesn't the presiding judge have the authority to override the jury? I seem to recall that in the past.


Sometimes the Judge is the problem by the way the instructions to the jury are worded.

Like I said in a previous post this could be bad investigation, bad prosecutor/great defense attorney, bad judge (by allowing what is entered into evidence and what isn't or rulings during trial or jury instructions), bad jury selection or just a liberal jury doing jury nullification (going to acquit regardless of evidence). None of us sat through the trail, so we don't know. We do know, thanks to Para, of a similar case in Asheville NC resulting in a conviction.
 
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Doesn't the presiding judge have the authority to override the jury? I seem to recall that in the past.


Most states give judges the power to overrule a jury verdict if the jury finds the defendant guilty. Judge can say, sorry jury, you are wrong, I am actually finding him not guilty.

It does not work the other way around. If a jury finds you not guilty the judge cannot overturn that verdict. The prosecutor also has no power to appeal a not guilty verdict by a jury.

That is why "jury nullification" is such a powerful tool.
 
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Wow, I was led here by Beancookers signature line. I m almost disappointed that I didn’t see this thread while it was unraveling.

Just wow....



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