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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
I was essentially forced to move to win10. I hate it. To the point that I have considered getting an apple system.

This is what I did. No regrets.

Bob

I really don't know jack about computers, but my son is a real geek. He is an IT guy for Henry Ford Medical Systems. Anyway my computer went tits up and taking on water so time for a new one. I had always been a Windows guy, but my son said that 10 had a lot of issues and advised me to change to Apple which I did. Did I do the right thing? No clue, as I said I don't know jack, but I am real happy with my Apple system.
Rod

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Originally posted by fpuhan:

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
I was essentially forced to move to win10. I hate it. To the point that I have considered getting an apple system.

There's never a bad reason to get an Apple system.

Except dealing with an Apple Store. My one instance of a store visit left me with a feeling of dishonesty on the part of their staff regarding a damaged unit that was subsequently repaired at a non authorized repair facility at one quarter of what I was quoted to repair the damaged machine which they said exceeded it's value. It was three months old BTW.

There is a lot more of my side to this story.

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Originally posted by sig sailor:
I really don't know jack about computers, but my son is a real geek. He is an IT guy for Henry Ford Medical Systems. Anyway my computer went tits up and taking on water so time for a new one. I had always been a Windows guy, but my son said that 10 had a lot of issues and advised me to change to Apple which I did. Did I do the right thing? No clue, as I said I don't know jack, but I am real happy with my Apple system.
Rod

Rod, the Apple Store is on the north side of I-96 at a large mall,you probably know the one I'm speaking of, beware. If you need work on your Apple for a non warranty issue I have a recommendation in Ann Arbor.

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Originally posted by dsiets:

Now I'm happily clinging to Win10 until it's dropped.

MS has said the Windows 10 is the last numbered version they will put out. They will just make updates and improvements to it as things move along. I think at some point they may just rename it but they say there will not be a "New OS" upgrade. Of course things change with time, so we'll see. The built in OS seems to waning, giving way to the web based OS (WebOS) which will probably be the norm at some point.

I despise Microsoft and Apple, but I despise Microsoft slightly less. That could change, but Win10 as an OS works fine, security isn't bad, and it manages PC hardware decently. Edge is a dog, but improvements coming. And I was a full Beta tester for Windows 98, so it's interesting we've regressed 88 numbers in 21 years.

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Originally posted by shovelhead:
Rod, the Apple Store is on the north side of I-96 at a large mall,you probably know the one I'm speaking of, beware.

At Twelve Oaks Mall in Novi? Why "beware?"

Had my iPhone 6S in there for the $30 battery upgrade a bit over a year ago. Dropped it off, went somewhere else nearby to pick up something else, came back and it was ready ahead of time.

I believe the key to getting Windows 10 (or any O/S, for that matter) to run the most efficiently, effectively, and "correctly" without any issues is to just wipe the drive(s) and do a fresh, clean install. I'm not a fan of completely "upgrading" from one version of an O/S to another. IMO, it would leave too many stones unturned in the Windows Registry from the previous version. Have never done it, but I've never had a problem with any new version by installing from scratch.

Granted, I've only used it to stream video and programming through their respective web sites, but my Windows 10 "media box" has run flawlessly for over a year. Now that I've discovered the joy and simplicity of my $39.95 Roku and the fact it COMPLETELY replaces the Windows 10 box in its current role , the guts in that system are going to replace my existing office system running Windows 7. Not even gonna test the waters...gonna do a fresh install on a new 500GB SSD and then go from there. I expect to have zero issues with that new setup...

Time for coffee.....DECAF!!

I wouldn't want to be locked into apple and all their proprietary hardware. I built my own PC. I like it that way.

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Originally posted by rbert0005:

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
I was essentially forced to move to win10. I hate it. To the point that I have considered getting an apple system.

This is what I did. No regrets.

Bob

We've come a long way.
Install DOS from diskette.
THEN Install Windows shell.
Get this:


History of Microsoft OS

I remember that. We played with it at a consulting firm I worked for back then. It was utterly unusable. Windows really didn't take off until version 3. Then it exploded.

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Originally posted by smschulz:
We've come a long way.
Install DOS from diskette.
THEN Install Windows shell.
Get this:


History of Microsoft OS

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I remember that. We played with it at a consulting firm I worked for back then. It was utterly unusable. Windows really didn't take off until version 3. Then it exploded.

I (we) had quite a few problems with Win 3.0 at work-----I think the first user friendly version was Win 3.1. Diehards said DOS will rule forever---but of course it didn't. The most basic philosophy that I know is built around the old Persian truism: "This too will change".

I have a few legacy programs that run on 7 and are no longer supported which I suppose will have to go the way of all things.

I am in busy now transferring programs to my new Win 10 work station. I have been using a Win 10 laptop for a while without real problems, but if there had been an option to keep Win 7, I would have gone that way.

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Originally posted by smschulz:
We've come a long way.
Install DOS from diskette.
THEN Install Windows shell.
Get this:


History of Microsoft OS

Still have the floppy discs for this, somewhere. If only I had a 5-1/2" floppy drive to load them into.

My problem is all my studio software, Photoshop, Lightroom all will not work on Win 10.

Screw it, I will get a new PC for Win 10 crap, and have a dedicated Video, Audio, Photo machine.

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Originally posted by rainman64:
My problem is all my studio software, Photoshop, Lightroom all will not work on Win 10.

Screw it, I will get a new PC for Win 10 crap, and have a dedicated Video, Audio, Photo machine.

Damn. That sucks. All my audio software is working just fine. Granted I don't have a lot, but everything works.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by shovelhead:
Rod, the Apple Store is on the north side of I-96 at a large mall,you probably know the one I'm speaking of, beware.

At Twelve Oaks Mall in Novi? Why "beware?"

Had my iPhone 6S in there for the $30 battery upgrade a bit over a year ago. Dropped it off, went somewhere else nearby to pick up something else, came back and it was ready ahead of time.

It was my daughter's three month old Air laptop. She was "on call" at home, had it open and her cat knocked a Pepsi onto the keyboard.

Immediately turned it off, turned it upside down and shook all out possible. Tried to power it up to no avail. I took it immediately 30 miles to Apple in Twelve Oaks.

Got there they took it into the back to inspect it. About a half hour later the guy I dealt with came back with pictures on his phone showing extensive internal damage. He said it would not power up, it was fried. He said every thing, the keyboard, motherboard, everything was damaged and to repair it would exceed the cost of the machine, he recommended replacement and selling the remains as parts. I got my daughter on the phone, she asked if they could wipe the drive clean first which he said they would. She did not request a copy of anything as it was all backed up, she just used this as her note pad basically.

So he went "reassembled" the machine in the back, brought it to me and said it was wiped clean, no charge as a courtesy. She wanted another machine but they had no stock of the same one so I took the "junk" one and left.

About midnight I took the "junk" Apple and hit the power switch, it powered up. I tried the charger, it would not charge though. Next morning, tried it again. It turned on, no charging but surprise, her information was still on it. Problem #1, he said it was wiped clean, it had not been.

Took it to a local computer shop. We discussed the story, what I was told. He suggested a couple of independent Apple repair shops as an alternative.

Took it to one in Ann Arbor. Now here is where it gets interesting. I spoke to the owner and explained what I was shown in the photos, how it powered up at midnight, four hours later. So he pulls the bottom off of it, surprise, the only damage was in the charging port area, no signs of fluid intrusion anywhere else! So what happened?

Well, due to his showing me photos on his phone purportedly of the insides at that point I concluded that the photos were "stock" photos, that they never took the bottom off, that they gave it what was known in car dealer service departments a "suntan", push it out back and ignore it then give it back to the customer. This combined with the "we wiped it clean, there is no data on this" which was also false.

Come to your own conclusions, mine was that they wanted to sell a new laptop and hoped that I would tell them to toss this not repairable machine so someone in the store would do a quick fix and have a new used laptop.

The Apple Store estimated repairs to exceed $1200, the Ann Arbor independent fixed it for under $300. She gave it to me, I got it repaired, been working since March of this year.

I did email Apple with the story, dates and times I was there with the name of one of the people I dealt with there. I heard exactly nothing back from them. It got buried.