Bring back flechette rounds.

Count me as not understanding what the thread title has to do with the posted story. Is it that we think a 12 gauge slug will stop a G Wagon? Clearly a handgun with many more rounds of 9mm has a better chance of stopping the driver.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
Bring back flechette rounds.

Ask and ...

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Some ammunition is better than others, but there is no small arms fire that can stop a vehicle dead in its tracks. Put holes through a radiator or oil cooler and the engine will still run for at least a few minutes. Shoot out the tires (difficult in the first place) and the vehicle will still roll on the rims. Hit an ignition component and you'll stop the engine, but the vehicle can still roll. Incapacitate the driver and the vehicle will still roll, only now uncontrollably and unpredictably. Maybe "bring on the RPG" might be a better title.

This entitled little shit lived in a wealthy suburb here in a 1.5 million dollar home but now he will get to live in prison for a while. Real smart!

The Buick O' Truth #2 - Windshields Outside/In

https://www.theboxotruth.com/t...ted_view=1#post-1016

Police officers are often forced to fire from outside a vehicle into the passenger compartment through the laminated windshield glass.

As I said earlier, a car is actually an incredibly effective lethal weapon, a fact violent suspects know and exploit.

Sometimes to keep from being run over or to keep a fellow officer from being run over, and officer is forced to fire into the passenger compartment to try and stop the driver.

So how does this scenario play out?

First up, a 9mm.



The target is seated in the passenger seat in this instance, and there is a red dot painted in the center mass of the target that the shooter aims for.

Look carefully at the target.

A single round was fired, but there are three holes in the target.

Why?

Because laminated glass is particularly hard on bullets.

It can sometimes strip parts of the bullet jacket off of the lead core, reducing the bullet's effectiveness on the anatomy of a human being.

The red pen is marking the impact of the main part of the bullet.

Notice how much lower it is than the point of aim...

In this case, the bullet did not penetrate the passenger seat.

Lessons learned:
When shooting through the windshield into the passenger compartment of a vehicle, you need to keep three things in mind:

1. Laminated glass and the angle of the windshield may cause your round to deflect lower than your point of aim. How much depends on the angle of the windshield and the weight of the bullet you are using.

2. When fired through laminated glass, bullets tend to partially fragment, reducing the effectiveness of the bullet and causing there to be secondary projectiles (bullet jackets, glass, etc) that can impact the target OR other people in the vehicle.

3. When firing a bullet into a passenger compartment, there is no guarantee that it will hit ONLY the target you intend to hit.

More at link

Two 3-inch 12G white phosphorous A.P. slugs fired simultaneously from a double trigger coach gun with Burris FastFire RD mounted.

So why did the officer exit his vehicle while his was being rammed by a clearly unhinged person that he pulled over. It looks like he made a quick decision and didn't even put the vehicle in park.

With that happening there is no way I'd have gotten out, that Tahoe would have been just as formidable with the front bumper.

Why expose yourself just to use lethal force when there is no way you can beat a heavy SUV with a 9mm unless you get a lucky shot, and even if you do, that driver could still run you over, you have zero protection.

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:

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Originally posted by wrightd:
Benelli recoil action 12 ga semi w/Brenneke Magic Slugs. Those guys aren't designed to pancake.

That is a LOT of energy. 1500fps, 1.375oz = 3500ft lb

Not consistent enough for large dangerous game or hard targets, but a very good package of whoopass for soft targets that need to stop right there.

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Originally posted by wrightd:

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:

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Originally posted by wrightd:
Benelli recoil action 12 ga semi w/Brenneke Magic Slugs. Those guys aren't designed to pancake.

That is a LOT of energy. 1500fps, 1.375oz = 3500ft lb

Not consistent enough for large dangerous game or hard targets, but a very good package of whoopass for soft targets that need to stop right there.

Not consistent enough how? At what range? What time frame? Compared to a pistol; a AR; or an African professional hunter/guide rifle? Is the African rifle good for urban patrol?

Is a Gwagen large dangerous game, or is it a hard target? What defines those two things relative to a un-armored vehicle?

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Originally posted by HRK:
So why did the officer exit his vehicle while his was being rammed by a clearly unhinged person that he pulled over. It looks like he made a quick decision and didn't even put the vehicle in park.

With that happening there is no way I'd have gotten out, that Tahoe would have been just as formidable with the front bumper.

Why expose yourself just to use lethal force when there is no way you can beat a heavy SUV with a 9mm unless you get a lucky shot, and even if you do, that driver could still run you over, you have zero protection.

^^^ everything that HRK said!

Completely outside of the vague thread title, math out the foot/pounds of a Tahoe and then explain how the rational choice was to A-abandon the Tahoe, then another choice to B-put yourself in front of a similar foot/pound weapon, and finally how C-‘pew pew’ is going to complete your day?!?

Prayers for the officer’s recovery, and scumbag’s felony convictions.

What are you shooting at, a T-rex?

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Originally posted by wrightd:

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:

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Originally posted by wrightd:
Benelli recoil action 12 ga semi w/Brenneke Magic Slugs. Those guys aren't designed to pancake.

That is a LOT of energy. 1500fps, 1.375oz = 3500ft lb

Not consistent enough for large dangerous game or hard targets, but a very good package of whoopass for soft targets that need to stop right there.

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Originally posted by wrightd:
Benelli recoil action 12 ga semi w/Brenneke Magic Slugs. Those guys aren't designed to pancake.

After a 6 month wait, I finally just last week received my Brenneke Black Magic slugs. Now I am still waiting for the Brenneke Bear Protection Magnum that I ordered at the same time and have an even higher velocity and energy.

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Originally posted by wrightd:

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:

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Originally posted by wrightd:
Benelli recoil action 12 ga semi w/Brenneke Magic Slugs. Those guys aren't designed to pancake.

That is a LOT of energy. 1500fps, 1.375oz = 3500ft lb

Not consistent enough for large dangerous game or hard targets, but a very good package of whoopass for soft targets that need to stop right there.

These rounds are meant for large dangerous game and are what is issued to Alaskan Game and Wildlife. A .44 Magnum is what is recommended for bear protection and these pack a hell of a lot more punch.

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Originally posted by wrightd:
Benelli recoil action 12 ga semi w/Brenneke Magic Slugs. Those guys aren't designed to pancake.

Up until this last summer, I had no idea slugs pancaked. We set gallon milk jugs and 2 liter soda bottles filled with water on top of birch logs set on end and shot them with slugs and 00 buck. We missed a few jigs and bottles and hit the logs instead. It was a real eye opener to see slugs flattened out just under the birch bark not penetrating the wood at all.

We’ll have to check the Brennekes out next summer.

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I am STILL waiting for the final order of Brenneke bear defense ammo. I got all my other Brenneke orders, but have been waiting close to a year for the Brenneke Bear Protection Magnum 12 Gauge 1 3/8 oz 2.75'' Shotgun Ammunition with a velocity of 1,650 FPS. To me this seems like the best round. I wanted to secure some now to have just in case I ever travel in bear country. So if you ever want any, order early!

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I got all my other Brenneke orders, but have been waiting close to a year for the Brenneke Bear Protection Magnum 12 Gauge

Wow! You have more patience than I do. I probably would have canceled the order by this time.

All of the Brenneke slugs have a game version and a LE/defense version. The specs are the same. The box is different. If the Magic Bear Blower-Upper isn’t available, buy the Engine Block Stopper-Upper version.

I’m just seeing this thread now, and I wonder, what if the officer was packing a Glock 20 with full power 10mm ammo?

Almost tempted to buy a shotgun.

Thanks for the link on the darts.

Made my day.