Dershowitz: Leftist anti-Israeli hate will turn American Jews to GOP
In order for a Jew in America to turn to the GOP, I would think they would have to identify with and be connected with Israel and it being their homeland. I have a feeling that many of the Jews in America really don't have any close ties to Israel at all. Thus, they are not really swayed by what the Democrats are doing. I hope I'm wrong. I'd be happy to hear others' thoughts on this.
November 04, 2023, 04:13 PM
PASig
I can’t see this happening.
Most American Jews seem to be VERY left
My aunt is Jewish and she still LOVES John Fetterman, she’s hardcore deep blue Democrat and I can’t see her ever voting for any Republican.
November 04, 2023, 04:18 PM
Gustofer
Most American Jews (80%) live in liberal cities. I think they must put something in the water there.
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November 04, 2023, 08:43 PM
erj_pilot
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Originally posted by Chris17404: In order for a Jew in America to turn to the GOP, I would think they would have to identify with and be connected with Israel and it being their homeland. I have a feeling that many of the Jews in America really don't have any close ties to Israel at all. Thus, they are not really swayed by what the Democrats are doing. I hope I'm wrong. I'd be happy to hear others' thoughts on this.
Hence the term, JINO.
"If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24
November 05, 2023, 04:12 AM
Voshterkoff
A bit late after jewish and catholic organizations imported half of the middle east to the west.
November 05, 2023, 04:56 AM
egregore
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In order for a Jew in America to turn to the GOP, I would think they would have to identify with and be connected with Israel and it being their homeland. I have a feeling that many of the Jews in America really don't have any close ties to Israel at all.
This is my observation (correct or not) as well. I have a hard time understanding it, considering how for almost two millennia Jews have been run out of nearly every place they've lived in. Israel is the last place on earth they can be run out of without a fight.
November 05, 2023, 05:01 AM
downtownv
This will happen. Despite them being hopelessly liberal.This message has been edited. Last edited by: downtownv,
I think Jews who identify with Leftists do so because they believe what they have been told about nazism and the political right. Nazism comes from the political left. Some American Jews will recognize that now and some will be too stubborn. The more the antisemitic movement metastasizes here the more Jews interested in self preservation will untether from Leftism and the more the rest of us will need to stand armed between them and the antisemites. We cannot allow evil to accumulate against them again without a fight from the beginning regardless of past political resentments.
You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier
November 05, 2023, 07:42 AM
sigfreund
“Most men … can seldom accept the simplest and most obvious truth if it … would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions … which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabrics of their lives.” — Leo Tolstoy
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November 05, 2023, 08:27 AM
parabellum
Yes, gents, that's right. Nothing can ever change for the better. All is bad, all is lost. weep weep weep weep.
Things you don't believe, simply can't be true. That's right. That's how the world works. You, alone, control reality. Everyone else is at the mercy of your perceptions.
November 05, 2023, 09:07 AM
XinTX
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I think Jews who identify with Leftists do so because they believe what they have been told about nazism and the political right.
And it was a lot of the college kids who helped Hitler and Stalin to power. For all they call themselves "intellectuals", they seem incapable of reading history absent their red colored glasses.
When I was in Israel, I asked one of the guys who'd lived their all his life (and had some relatives in the US) why the Jews in the US almost monolithically supported the left, while the left did not support Israel. He said a large percentage of Jews (especially second generation US) cared little about the nation of Israel itself. Many are even anti-Zionist and have bought in to the leftist position that Israel is the occupier and the Philistines are the oppressed. And the 1st generation were immigrants. And historically immigrants will support the most liberal positions politically.
Will the events of Oct 7 wake them up? I do dearly hope so. Time will tell.
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November 05, 2023, 09:11 AM
ZSMICHAEL
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And it was a lot of the college kids who helped Hitler and Stalin to power. For all they call themselves "intellectuals", they seem incapable of reading history absent their red colored glasses.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I never heard this before.Can you provide a reference please?
November 05, 2023, 09:20 AM
darthfuster
I have great faith and love for our Jewish brothers and sisters. I take literally their biblical calling and descriptor as God’s chosen people. My Lord and Savior come from their lineage. I know as people they choose the right and seek holiness. I also know God will frustrate and cut off those who work against them. God will protect them ultimately even if through people like me.
You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier
November 05, 2023, 09:29 AM
Voshterkoff
Para I appreciate your positivity, however that ship has left port. And I don’t see any western country going full Serbia anytime soon.
November 05, 2023, 09:31 AM
patw
While I hope things like this change their mind, time will tell. God still has a covenant with them and I support Israel. He will make the change in their lives one day.
November 05, 2023, 11:21 AM
parabellum
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Originally posted by Voshterkoff: Para I appreciate your positivity...
No you don't. And what you pointed out to me has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
November 05, 2023, 11:54 AM
83v45magna
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Originally posted by egregore: This is my observation (correct or not) as well. I have a hard time understanding it, considering how for almost two millennia Jews have been run out of nearly every place they've lived in.
I thought it was FIVE millennia.
I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all. -Ecclesiastes 9:11
...But the king shall rejoice in God; every one that sweareth by Him shall glory, but the mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped. - Psalm 63:11 [excerpted]
November 05, 2023, 06:55 PM
parabellum
Yeah, Jewish Americans will never change, will they?