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Well, by golly, that's good enough fer me. You betcha! . | |||
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Well, the machines can be manipulated or they can't, so the question is, does Trumps team have solid physical evidence that it can indeed be done and if so, can they prove that it was done? If they don't have that, then as real as it may be, it won't matter in court. No court wants anything to do with this case. No federal law enforcement agency can be trusted or counted on to investigate or prosecute. I hope and pray that Trumps team has something more than sworn affidavits and some witnesses, that won't be enough. They're trying to prove something that no court really wants to believe. No one's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session.- Mark Twain | |||
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I take it you haven't heard the story of the fox proving that he didn't eat the chicken? Quite convincing. Q | |||
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Thanks for posting. Barnes is pretty sharp. The machines are a distraction. Focus on signature verification and over votes. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Number 2 of my first post. Its up to the Republicans to devise a system that reduces cheating. Or number 3 they need to learn to cheat better than their opponents. This isn't rocket surgery. _________________________ OH, Bonnie McMurray! | |||
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Republicans have not been effective in fighting Democrat lawfare maneuvers in courts across the country to make cheating easier in 2020. Reducing cheating isn't rocket surgery: a photo ID requirement, voting in person on election day, eliminate mail-in voting. I don't think we gain anything if we endeavor to become darker and more devious than our opponents. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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When someone says and several here have that it's time to move on and focus in 2024 I take that to mean they must feel this election to be legitimate that there was not massive fraud to steal millions of votes from Trump and given to Biden. Or they agree there has been fraud but we will somehow fix it in 2024. Makes no sense to me. If this fraud now in 2020 is allowed to be perpetrated upon us 2024 will mean nothing. One of two things if not both will happen. Voting integrity and confidence in the voting system goes in the crapper for probably half the country. Voter participation tanks to all time lows and the amount of fraud needed to get the chosen people in the chosen places will be on a much smaller scale and many will not care or pay attention. Trump mounts a grass roots campaign under a different party flag with the same amount or more support than in the past. Bigger rallies and more support than we even thought possible in 2024. The cheating will be applied on a larger scale than it is now to make sure he or someone like him never attains office again. To me this is a win now or lose forever proposition. "Fixed fortifications are monuments to mans stupidity" - George S. Patton | |||
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Yeah, it's January 30, 1933, let this Adoph guy be Chancellor, we can elect someone else in 1937... "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Massive fraud. Millions of illegal/illegitimate ballots. Votes stolen from Trump. I don't disagree with you. I want the fight over the 2020 election to go on as long and as far as it can. But... it's a short window of opportunity. If Biden is inaugurated in January the fight still MUST go on.
That could happen... if we allow it to. Or we could work hard to reduce cheating: a photo ID requirement, voting in person on election day, eliminate mail-in voting. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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“Dominion has been in business since 2002. They are used in elections all over the western hemisphere. If they were hacked then they're out of business. If they had a glitch they're out of business. If its possible for election officials to temper with the system they're out of business. I don't think Dominion acted against their own best interest.” As long as Dominion has corrupt governments to purchase their intentionally hackable, tamperable equipment , and a corrupt news media to cover that up, I think their business will continue to be profitable. | |||
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I have seen innuendo that there was fraud. I haven't seen proof that there was fraud. A lot of people are taking innuendo as fact. If find that fact that a lot of this innuendo, along with any evidence to back it up, has been incorporated into legal action that has been thrown at several different courts, in several different jurisdictions, both state and federal, and nearly all of it has bounced off without any acceptance by the courts. I fear you're correct that the Trump supports will split off from the Republican party, guaranteeing decades of Democratic rule of this country.
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These Three States Can Stop the Steal Will the GOP legislatures of GA, PA, and MI have the courage to end this travesty? by David Catron It could hardly be more obvious that the Democrats approached the 2020 election willing to do anything, from illegally altering state election laws to committing brazen ballot fraud, in the cause of defeating President Trump. It’s equally clear that the “news” media are abetting this travesty by studiously ignoring credible evidence while anointing Joe Biden “President-elect.” This corrupt contingency is precisely why the framers created the Electoral College. No one becomes “president-elect” until the members of that body meet in their respective states to cast their ballots. Who selects the electors? The Constitution unambiguously reserves the power and the method by which these appointees are chosen to state legislatures in Article II, Section I: Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress. Note that this clause omits any mention of officials not belonging to the legislatures. Nor does it mention courts. Moreover, the electors aren’t required to cast their ballots according to the outcome of the popular vote. To make sense of this, it must be remembered that these appointees aren’t chosen like juries. In most states, each political party selects a slate of electors from a pool of its activists. When the voters cast ballots in the general election, they are voting for the people listed on those party slates. If a majority of a state’s popular vote goes to the Republican ticket, the GOP slate of electors is certified and they elect the president on the Monday after the second Wednesday in December. That the framers vested the legislatures with the sole power to choose electors is particularly important if there is reason to dispute the legitimacy of an election — as is the case in Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. In Georgia, for example, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and the state’s county clerks conducted last week’s “risk-limiting audit” without any attempt to verify signatures on mail-in votes. Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp chastised them, suggesting that the discovery of thousands of previously uncounted ballots — which reduced Biden’s ostensible lead by 1,200 votes — should have alerted them that there was a serious discrepancy. He instructed Raffensperger to fix it. Just the News reports: It’s important to note that this audit only looked at ballots, not the signatures on the absentee applications or the signatures on the ballot envelopes.… The Georgians I have heard from are extremely concerned about this, so I encourage Secretary Raffensperger to consider addressing these concerns. It seems simple enough to conduct a sample audit of signatures on the absentee ballot envelopes and compare those to the signatures on applications and on file at the Secretary of State’s Office.… This is simply unacceptable. I have heard directly from countless Georgians. They expect better, and they deserve better. Yet Raffensperger certified the election results early Friday, despite the audit’s glaring deficiencies. Erroneous media reports notwithstanding, this is by no means game over, however. Indeed, it will be the cause of action in a federal lawsuit to be filed at the beginning of the week by a team of Trump lawyers led by Jordan Sekulow. During an interview with Newsmax TV Sekulow said, “I will tell you, the Lt. Gov. [Geoff Duncan] in Georgia, the Secretary of State in Georgia [Brad Raffensperger], they’re in for quite a shock on Monday and Tuesday about how poorly they ran — there’s going to be a proof — of how poorly they ran the elections in one of their major counties.” Meanwhile, in Pennsylvania, Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis are about to file an appeal in the Third Circuit after an arbitrary dismissal by an Obama-appointed judge of an election challenge. Ellis and Giuliani presented evidence demonstrating that 682,777 ballots in the Keystone State were cast illegally. The lawsuit argues that Pennsylvania voters were denied their constitutional right to equal protection under the law because counties used wildly varying vote counting methods. Not coincidentally, the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in Bush v. Gore was based on the Equal Protection Clause as it related to ballot counting. Saturday, Ellis and Giuliani released the following statement: Today’s decision turns out to help us in our strategy to get expeditiously to the U.S. Supreme Court. Although we fully disagree with this opinion, we’re thankful to the Obama-appointed judge for making this anticipated decision quickly.… We will be seeking an expedited appeal to the Third Circuit. There is so much evidence that, in Pennsylvania, Democrats eliminated our opportunity to present 50 witnesses and other evidence that election officials blatantly ignored Pennsylvania’s law denying independent review.… This is another case that appears to be moving quickly to the United States Supreme Court. In Michigan, as in Pennsylvania, judges are elected. Consequently, at least four major lawsuits challenging election results were arbitrarily dismissed without serious consideration. Even worse, when the Chair of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers (Monica Palmer) and another member of the board (William Hartmann) refused to certify the election results last week due to obvious and comprehensive irregularities, they were physically threatened, accused of racism, and doxed. They finally certified after Vice Chair Jonathan Kinloch agreed to an audit. Kinloch, being a Democrat, reneged on the deal, whereupon Palmer and Hartmann immediately issued affidavits rescinding their votes. Considering the election chicanery, arbitrary court rulings, and threats to the county canvassers, President Trump invited Michigan Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey and Speaker of the Michigan Statehouse Lee Chatfield to Washington to discuss the situation in Michigan. Like Palmer and Hartman, they were harassed by Democratic activists, media gadflies, and garden variety goons. These creeps also followed the Michigan delegation to their hotel. It will come as no surprise, considering how dangerous it is to go against the Democrat party line, that neither of these Michigan “leaders” were willing to consider doing the right thing. They released this pathetic statement: The Senate and House Oversight Committees are actively engaged in a thorough review of Michigan’s elections process and we have faith in the committee process to provide greater transparency and accountability to our citizens. We have not yet been made aware of any information that would change the outcome of the election in Michigan and as legislative leaders, we will follow the law and follow the normal process regarding Michigan’s electors, just as we have said throughout this election. The GOP enjoys legislative majorities in Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. In these states, election laws were flouted, ballot fraud was widespread, and election officials were threatened. If not for important deadlines like the safe harbor date (December 8) by which states must resolve post-election disputes such as recounts and the federally mandated date (December 14) on which the Electoral College must meet to vote, it would be theoretically possible for the Trump legal team to prevail. At this point, only state legislatures have the constitutional power and the time to stop the steal. Do they have the guts? If not, the survival of the republic comes down to a thin red line in … well … Georgia. https://spectator.org/these-th...-can-stop-the-steal/ "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Only the strong survive |
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That’s how I feel as well. Conceding 2020 will guarantee that you will only get Dems or RINOs in power - forever. 2020 is the hill to die on. | |||
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I don’t accept that is a guarantee, but giving up now sure as heck isn’t going to make things easier going forward. It seems to me that one has to fight this one to the end. However, if this battle is not won, one has to pick themselves up and keep fighting. To steal, misquote, and expand: There is not always a pony under the Christmas tree, but you don’t throw yourself on the floor and have a tantrum, then give up. You appreciate what you get and keep trying to get what you want. | |||
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The only folks that run our show is the shadow government. President Trump was never supposed to win. Now, the globalists will have their way. This was all a bad dream with the exception of President Trump, he exposed the corruption. | |||
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Agreed. Trump is one big man in the way. Given the totality of actions over the last year against him and the common people worldwide by the globalist, and all of their corporations and sycophants in the shadow government, it is clear that they intend to rule by any means necessary. Combining the power of governments with private corporations on a global scale - that my friends is fascism writ large. If the states and courts legitimize this so-called "election" the results will haunt mankind for decades if not centuries. Time to harden up. ____________________________ "It is easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled." Unknown observer of human behavior. | |||
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Are you fucking kidding me? Liechtenstein? The 4th smallest country in the world interfered with our elections? Really? How does this Sidney Powell have any time to do anything when she spends all her time talking to the press? I will be glad to say I was wrong if she does come through and releases the "Kraken", but I think this side show needs to go away. | |||
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