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Or it could have been sanitation, vs open sewers,maybe landfills to haul off rotting garbage to,or clean water. Maybe an abundant supply of food,and access to a climate controlled environment.Believe it or not there are people who live long lives and do not consume pharmaceutical drugs. A lot of drugs are derived from plants. _________________________ | |||
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Well I understand the concerns about claims of medicinal value and not having real studies available to measure and quantify effects. I do wish there were more official studies as I think there is much BS and hype without it. On the other hand I look at it this way. If you take too many sleeping pills, you die. If you take too many oxy's you die, if you take too many current medications you die. The problem being that the amount of medication between being good for you vs being killing is very small. As far as I can tell (from anecdotes of course), the quantity of anything based on real marijuana (not the synthetic stuff) required to actually kill anyone is so large as to be virtually impossible to do whether accidentally or otherwise. This assures me enough that I, as someone who has never touched marijuana before, am willing to try something like CBD oil for aches and pains. And believe me, if I had something like cancer, I'd try smoking the real stuff too. I'm not going to try and self proscribe any normal OTC or doctor prescribed medications, but I know enough about marijuana (even without vast official scientific studies), that it isn't going to kill me even if I walked into some dispensary and smoked the most powerful THC-heavy super hybrid marijuana strain to see if it will help with some ailment or not. At worst it makes me too high or sick, at best it works perfectly in managing some life ailment. I'm a 50 year old male that can cleanly and repeatedly bench press 290lbs. It's a damn rare club at "any" age, and even more rarified at 50+. I believe I could handle smoking some pot if I wanted to and wouldn't turn into some out of control monster no matter how much I smoked. At this point though, I am simply trying CBD oil, because if it works well enough to manage pain without too many side effects, then that's good enough for me right now. | |||
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Not true. There has actually been a fair amount of research done on CBD and it's effects on both the CNS and PNS. Cannabidiol receptors are found in both. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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It would be interesting to read more about this. Are you aware of studies which compare cbd oil made from hemp with cbd oil made from cannibis? Having read some of the links posted in this thread, I am curious how the cbd oil is produced. Which parts of each plant are used? If one knew which compounds work with the CNS and PNS receptors, a reasonable prediction might be made as to the potential efficacy of the various cbd oils based on the compounds/concentrations present in the oils. | |||
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No, but I hate those who mislead and outright lie about the medical safety and efficacy of marijuana. First, research on marijuana, in the US, has been legal for decades. However, it was severely restricted until recently. In the last 3 years the restrictions on marijuana research have been greatly eased. Second, the US is not the only location on the planet in which research can be conducted. So even if you believe the lie that research in US was/is banned, which it is not, it's also dishonest to say research is impossible if not done in the US. ___________________________________________ "He was never hindered by any dogma, except the Constitution." - Ty Ross speaking of his grandfather General Barry Goldwater "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want." - William Tecumseh Sherman | |||
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You have plenty of snide comments, but you have nothing of substance to address the real issue of safety concerns (in both "medical" and recreational use) with marijuana, due to the utter lack of regulation regarding pesticides and herbicides. You likewise have nothing to offer in the way of peer reviewed scientific studies from legitimate sources, regarding safety (including dose control) and efficacy of marijuana with regard to medical use. Until there are serious studies proving efficacy, and safety, along with measures to ensure safety in production, and proper dose control, then people should admit they truth, which is they are using "medical" marijuana as backdoor to recreational use. Recreational legalization is a completely different topic. Those who want to legalize marijuana for recreational use should simply admit that is their goal, rather than lying about "medical" marijuana, and blathering on about "anecdotes," "testimonials," "tends to(s)," and any other "snake oil" sales tactics they can dream up.  ___________________________________________ "He was never hindered by any dogma, except the Constitution." - Ty Ross speaking of his grandfather General Barry Goldwater "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want." - William Tecumseh Sherman | |||
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Do you really expect us to accept that modern pharmaceuticals, which include vaccines, are not a major factor in increased life expectancy around the globe? If so you are seriously delusional. ___________________________________________ "He was never hindered by any dogma, except the Constitution." - Ty Ross speaking of his grandfather General Barry Goldwater "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want." - William Tecumseh Sherman | |||
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I did not say that, I said that other factors are at play also and mentioned some of them. If you think the only reason life expectancy has increased is prescription drugs you are delusional. Life expectancy in the United States is falling because of people dying from overdoses of synthetic drugs. Over 70,000 people died from overdoses just last year _________________________ | |||
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I didn't say it was the "only reason," I said it was, "a major factor in increased life expectancy around the globe." However, anyone who can read for comprehension can see you discounted the benefits of pharmaceuticals to increased life expectancy in the general population. First you said, "or it could have been . . . ," and then listed other factors that caused increased life expectancy. Your use of "or," rather than "and," means you were rejecting pharmaceuticals as a factor. Further, your comment, "there are people who live long lives and do not consume pharmaceutical drugs," again shows you are discounting the benefits of pharmaceuticals, while also choosing anecdotal evidence rather than empirical evidence. ___________________________________________ "He was never hindered by any dogma, except the Constitution." - Ty Ross speaking of his grandfather General Barry Goldwater "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want." - William Tecumseh Sherman | |||
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Life expectancy in the U.S. is falling — and drug overdose deaths are soaring https://www.statnews.com/2017/...tancy-drug-overdose/ Life expectancy in the U.S. has fallen for the second year in a row, the first time it’s dropped for two consecutive years in more than half a century. People born in the U.S. in 2016 could expect to live 78.6 years on average, down from 78.7 the year before, according to a new report released Thursday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The most common cause of death: heart disease. The report also found death rates — calculated from the number of deaths per 100,000 people — actually rose among young adults between 2015 and 2016. And while the authors didn’t draw a direct link, another report also released Thursday by the CDC found an estimated 63,600 people died of drug overdoses in 2016. Two-thirds of those deaths were caused by opioids. Adults between the ages of 25 and 54 had the highest rate of drug overdose death. Here’s a look at the findings: Most common causes of death Heart disease was the leading cause of death, followed by cancer, unintentional injuries, chronic lower respiratory diseases, stroke, Alzheimer’s disease, diabetes, influenza and pneumonia, kidney disease, and suicide. Most common causes of death Heart disease was the leading cause of death, followed by cancer, unintentional injuries, chronic lower respiratory diseases, stroke, Alzheimer’s disease, diabetes, influenza and pneumonia, kidney disease, and suicide. One key point: Unintentional injuries climbed to the third leading cause of death in 2016, swapping spots with chronic lower respiratory diseases. It’s worth noting that most drug overdose deaths are classified as unintentional injuries. Black men are dying at alarmingly high rates Life expectancy isn’t falling for women — just for men. Life expectancy for women at birth is 81.1 years, compared to 76.1 years for men. The death rate for the general population actually declined slightly in 2016, but that drop wasn’t seen across all racial and ethnic groups. Death rates among black men climbed 1 percent in 2016, while death rates among white women actually fell 1 percent. There weren’t any big changes in death rates among black women, white men, or Hispanic men or women. Drug overdose deaths continue to climb Drug death rates are increasing much faster than they have in recent years. Overdose death rates climbed roughly 10 percent per year between 1999 and 2006. Then there was a relative lull: Between 2006 and 2014, they increased roughly 3 percent each year. But from 2014 to 2016, death rates tied to drug overdoses jumped 18 percent each year. Deaths due to synthetic opioids are rising The rate of overdose deaths involving synthetic opioids other than methadone — a category that includes fentanyl, fentanyl analogs, and tramadol — doubled between 2015 and 2016. The rate of drug overdose deaths involving natural and semisynthetic opioids, such as oxycodone and hydrocodone, also rose, while overdoses involving methadone declined. _________________________ | |||
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If I ever need a grammar policeman I will give you a call. _________________________ | |||
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| Armed and Gregarious |
None of which means modern pharmaceuticals were not a major factor in increased life expectancy over the last century. Further, opioid abuse existed long before "modern pharmaceuticals," and many of those opioids came from plants. I mean you know the first opioids came from poppy plants, right? Maybe you'd prefer to discuss how cocaine comes from coca plants, rather than discuss opioids? ___________________________________________ "He was never hindered by any dogma, except the Constitution." - Ty Ross speaking of his grandfather General Barry Goldwater "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want." - William Tecumseh Sherman | |||
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| Armed and Gregarious |
Your choice of words shows your intent, despite any backpedaling you might want to engage in, now that you've been called out on meaning of the language you used. ___________________________________________ "He was never hindered by any dogma, except the Constitution." - Ty Ross speaking of his grandfather General Barry Goldwater "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want." - William Tecumseh Sherman | |||
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If you want to just argue take it another thread. _________________________ | |||
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| Armed and Gregarious |
Are you not aware what a discussion forum is about? However, if you're unhappy with the direction of this discussion, you are free to bow out any time you choose. ___________________________________________ "He was never hindered by any dogma, except the Constitution." - Ty Ross speaking of his grandfather General Barry Goldwater "War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want." - William Tecumseh Sherman | |||
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What is your point in continuing in this thread? You are not aiding in any kind of discussion here. You are just coming in periodically to piss on those seeking information and adding nothing. Just a reminder of the OP:
So have you tried it? Did it help you with pain, insomnia, or inflammation? If the answer is no, then I don't believe you can add anything more. We all clearly understand your position. It's evil, not tested, and not well regulated. Anything beneficial to the forum you can add? If not, you've made your point and should probably just move along. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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GW Pharmaceuticals has a CBD based drug (Epidiolex) that greatly reduces rare forms of childhood epilepsy (Dravet's syndrome and Lennox-Gastaut syndrome). The drug received full FDA approval in June. DEA now has 90 days to downgrade marijuana from a Schedule 1 drug. Interesting that the Feds say there is no medicinal value in marijuana yet, they hold the only US Patent for CBD as a medicine. How swamp-like. | |||
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