ok, let me see if I got this straight

a passenger goes through TSA in Atlanta

this same passenger carries a gun on a plane all the way to Japan

and nothing happened, no one was injured, no one was killed, the plane didn't blow up, no one got hysterical, fainted, threw up

the world didn't end

not sure I see a problem - other than the smoke and mirrors TSA lived up to their abysmally low standards again

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Originally posted by CS200:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Spokane228:
Upon the customer’s disclosure? The first thing I would have done was find a deep lake, lose the pistol, chalk it up to stupidity, and get on with my life.

Yeah, wow. I don't care if it was my most expensive or favorite gun, I would've found some way to ditch it.

And I've never before flown into Japan, I've only gone by ship, but I would imagine Japan customs would be similar to others I've been through like in Europe. A bag check would at most be random, no?

Anyway, there should be plenty of places (bathrooms, garbage cans) to ditch the gun prior to going through customs.

As mentioned, handguns in Japan will bring severe punishment. When you arrive in Narita International, you go though a secondary security check once you arrive “if” you are connecting to another flight. If arriving at Narita and “staying” in Tokyo, you go through a medical (kind of a heat detection) scanner, and then go to Immigration/passport check, then you get your checked bag(s)and walk through customs (typically at Customs you just show your passport and answer some questions), although they can certainly stop and And do a security check of you anywhere along the way. It’s a friendly, welcoming, wonderful country but it prudent that you just don’t break any rules there....especially as a foreigner/gaijin.

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Regardless, there would likely still be an opportunity to dump the gun at some point prior to any of that, wouldn't there be?

I usually follow the belief that honesty is the best policy, but in this case, I'd be covering my own ass.

The TSA should be considered a nonessential agency and completely disbanded. they have been an embarrassment since day one.

https://www.infowars.com/tsa-a...pervs-and-criminals/


Despite the Transportation Security Administration's ten-point action plan to reduce long lines at airports across the country, lengthy queues remain. Now, the TSA's summer may be getting even worse: According to a recent report from the House Homeland Security Commission entitled "Misconduct at TSA Threatens the Security of the Flying Public", nearly half of the TSA’s 60,000 employees have been cited for misconduct in recent years.

https://www.techdirt.com/artic...multiple-times.shtml

And I thought I was stupid by forgetting about the machete that was in my bag when leaving Jakarta, mind you they did not find it during screening....not surprising knowing Indo.

The customs guy in Doha got really wide eyes when they screened my bag....I pulled it out and handed it to him told him "Oooops, that was an accident, it's yours now" and walked away praying that I was not going to a jail there.

It worked.....thank god

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I usually follow the belief that honesty is the best policy, but in this case, I'd be covering my own ass.

This. I'd field-strip it in the crapper and swallow the parts, if necessary, before walking up to a Japanese official and self-reporting one of the most serious violations on their books.

Every time I hear some Dem say they're in favor of "border security" but not a wall, I think about the genesis of the TSA and how the threat of radical Islam morphed into a jobs program for the incompetent and a reason to search old ladies in wheelchairs... I think a new multibillion dollar version of the TSA is what they mean by "border security".

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Originally posted by V-Tail:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

And I've never before flown into Japan, I've only gone by ship, but I would imagine Japan customs would be similar to others I've been through like in Europe. A bag check would at most be random, no?

I have only been once, 1994. My luggage was not inspected. I imagine that security has been beefed up considerably in the past 25 years. Maybe X-ray for all luggage?

The article stated that the handgun was in the passenger's carry-on luggage, not checked luggage. The article also states "TSA and aviation experts have said flying is still safe."

I have flown into Osaka and Tokyo numerous times and my luggage has NEVER been inspected, only had to show passport.

Thing is, he's now a furriner walking around in Japan with a handgun, like 99.9999% of the Japanese population don't.

Only Yakuza have guns - maybe he was an off-shore member? Does he look Japanese? One of my former work colleagues had had his great-grandparents behind barbed wire during WW2 - and their families had arrived in the USA as children before WW1.

He was indistinguishable from any other Japanese people I worked with in eight years in Tokyo.

Tough call. There was a fella that was in the Portland airport ready to go through TSA when he realized he had his pistol. Buried it in a potted plant thinking he'd retrieve it on the way back. Got caught. Don't know the penalty. Japan would be worse.

Here's the plant story:"Soren Muir Johnson, 69, of Eagle Point was accused of recklessly endangering, according to Port of Portland police. Police said Johnson told them he hid the firearm so he could retrieve it when he returned from his travel.

The incident began on at about 1:30 p.m. June 24 when Port of Portland Police were contacted by a TSA employee who said a passenger at the security checkpoint had asked for advice on what do with his firearm.

The man was told to return to the airline's ticket counter. Instead, TSA employees said, they watched the man place the gun inside a planter box across from the north ticket counters in the public ticket lobby of the airport.

Police found the gun, which was loaded."

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The TSA noted that it will "hold those responsible appropriately accountable."

Anybody but me not holding their breath?

And are these dipshits not going to get back pay for working now? That would be a first

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So it’s not due to government shutdown, it’s just a normal pathetic incompetant job that they do. Or don’t do.

About covers it! All that TSA bullshit I experienced on my LAST flight out of Spokane was living proof of their arrogance, lack of common courtesy, lack of knowledge and general incompetence!

Still doing hand "frisking" of passengers, dumped my carry on bag out on a table THREE TIMES and sorted through everything. After I got groped a couple times I asked one of the nearly 30 "agents" standing around (and this was at about 0630 (AM) why they were not using that brand new screening device that was standing there with the lights out. Classic answer: Nobody here knows how!.

I know from my last visit to Japan going through Narita Airport whether it was in his checked bag or carry on, they don't check your

luggage when you land. As soon as you exit the plane and go through immigration you have to have your thumbs scanned, eyes/face scanned, and

submit your passport and a paper you fill out on the plane about purpose of visit, and where you are staying etc.



Once in the main terminal before you leave the airport their is a customs check point that you can be stopped at randomly. I got dinged last

time and when I put my bag on the counter and spoke in Japanese douzo or go ahead be my guest, the guy said iyo daijoubu or it's all good

don't worry about it and waved me by. Guess he was either lazy or because I understood enough Japanese.


Now when he was leaving to come back home their security agents would have caught him since they x-ray your baggage before they

let you in the boarding area. And would have arrested him and threw the book at him. Japan is very strict on when it comes to guns

and drugs.

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The last time through Narita I don't remember them checking my luggage, but they definitely did on all previous trips. In fact, one time my minor age travelling companion was carrying one of our gift bottles of liquor, which the agent found of course. He scolded us, but let us through.

Been into Japan as a final destination and passed through. You only get checked if its a connecting flight.

Tough call, really.

Once the guy made the mistake, he's in the frying pan one way or another and sweating bullets. How do you hide obvious signs of panic and nervousness. He probably realized he'd out himself and couldn't keep his composure.

So he has a few choices with calculated consequences:
Option 1: Try to throw away the gun at the airport.

*outcome 1: Nobody notices and he gets away and loses the gun. After he returns, he waits 5 or 10 years and he's got a killer story to tell around the campfire or at social gatherings.

*outcome 2: someone finds the gun, turns it into Japanese security, they work with the US govt to find the owner, cross check the names of all US persons entering the Japan within the last 24 hours and arrest you at your hotel where you face stiff Japanese prosecution and his life is ruined. They will consider the fact that you tried to hide the gun in their prosecution. You face global media coverage and are branded an idiot for life. The TSA is mocked as being an incompetent bunch of boobs.

Option 2: Fake a heart attack at the airport (because you're definitely in danger of having one at this point) and ask for an english interpreter, then, with the help of the interpreter, surrender yourself to Japanese authorities at the airport with humility and respect and adamantly declare that it was a mistake and that you had no malicious intent.

*outcome 1: They detain you for a bit, question you, confiscate the firearm forever and take into consideration the fact that the "crime" was a mistake. You face global media coverage and are branded an idiot for life. The TSA is mocked as being an incompetent bunch of boobs.

*outcome 2: you face some Japanese jail time, but not as much as you would have if you were caught trying to hide it or destroy it. You face global media coverage and are branded an idiot for life. The TSA is mocked as being an incompetent bunch of boobs.

Option 3: You rush out of the airport, find the nearest US embassy and surrender yourself to the Marines at the US embassy and hope to only face the US legal system. I have no idea how they would handle such a situation.

Tony.