Everyone needs to be able to defend themselves from violence. The thinking that law enforcement can do the job is refuted by the police adage: When seconds count, we are only minutes away.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

Despite the impression that many American gun owners (including me) have had about the availability of weapons in Israel,

There are pretty much NO weapons available at any given time to any of the populace or soldiers for that matter. They're given a rifle to carry when on duty. And depending on where they live, like the Kibbutz.

Only now are they ordered to take one with them.
A policy that has come to bite them in the ass.
They USED to keep them but the populace voted in people that would disarm the off duty military.
You know, in the name of safety.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
You know, in the name of safety.

I can only wonder if those who thought that was a good idea asked themselves, “Safety from what?”

At this stage of my life I don’t know whether I should find a little relief in knowing that stupid people aren’t limited to my country and culture, or be saddened by yet another reminder of what a common human characteristic stupidity is.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

I can only wonder if those who thought that was a good idea asked themselves, “Safety from what?”

I believe there are usually 2 different groups of proponents for something. There are true believers, and their are opportunists. Politicians are opportunists. They don't really care if the policy works as advertised, just that there is something in it for them. Citizens can become true believers, especially if scared and propagandized.

Mix into that a heaping dose of denial mentality. Those people pushing policies such as disarmament do not accept in their mind that they will be harmed by being disarmed. The true believer citizen simply does not think he will ever be harmed. (Many of them believe they can be "nice" enough to a criminal if they are confronted, so that the criminal will leave them unharmed). The elite of course have paid armed security.

In the case of Israel, I suspect those who pushed for disarming the populace never believed a sudden widespread attack would occur. "Safety" was in relation to individual random criminals.

Gun control advocates in the USA dismiss out of hand the original concept of the 2A, which was defending against an attempted overthrow of liberty. They force the conversation to be framed as "safety" against mass shooters or violent criminals.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sigfreund:


In the case of Israel, I suspect those who pushed for disarming the populace never believed a sudden widespread attack would occur. "Safety" was in relation to individual random criminals. [Quote}

No, they just did not give a shit. All these people care about is that everyone abide by their edict. Bow to their power and control. It is not more complex then that.

The fact that innocent men, women and children were slaughtered is not a huge downside to these people. Their lust for power and control is above all else.

You see it everywhere now.

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The fact that innocent men, women and children were slaughtered is not a huge downside to these people. Their lust for power and control is above all else.

Israel, for all intents and purposes, is a communist state.
Like it or not.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:

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The fact that innocent men, women and children were slaughtered is not a huge downside to these people. Their lust for power and control is above all else.

Israel, for all intents and purposes, is a communist state.
Like it or not.

I think I like their Israeli commies better than I like our USA commies.

(What a peculiar thought)

And another one discussed here:
https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...858/m/6690062094/p/4

Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzwj2uR76Uo

I was doing some serious gun cleaning today. I was feeling I was a little heavy with everything.

After skimming this again, maybe I’m not.